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re: I truly don’t understand why Welch doesn’t see the field

Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:47 am to
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:47 am to
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The coaches, who see these guys every day in practice, think we are better with him on the bench.


The issue is these same coaches had Perkins at ILB, and both Penn and Weeks on the bench. They also started Chestnut over Harris and let Lacy drop multiple big passes in game 1 before giving most of his reps to Hilton and Anderson. Speaking of Anderson, they touted him as an all world punt returner only to have him muff the first one and never be given another opportunity.

Forgive me if I don't blindly trust the coaches to know which players will perform best when given the opportunity.
Posted by geauxdroddz
Member since Nov 2016
2042 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:47 am to
BK has never seen this talent...I wonder if he's trying to use off-the-field performances to influence who plays
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9212 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:58 am to
I also am puzzled by this. Curious to see if they start playing Welch at Corner opposite of Denver Harris.
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
5960 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:01 am to
a good reason, and one to use if you really trust Kelly, is not that they don't have the talent, but they are youngsters who will make mistakes and he doesn't want them to crack their fragile egos. Players can be ruined by being thrown into action too soon. sometimes a player's mental condition allows the coach to throw him in there as a rookie. DB;s can really look bad out on the field and their mistakes are exposed to the whole crowd
Posted by JTA1985
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:10 am to
Bingo
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10057 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:15 am to
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Maybe we should start playing more man coverage if all of our DBs are better at it?

I know I'd like to see more of it, but I'm not paid to make those decisions.
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1326 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:18 am to
I think we have to cycle in the younger players @ DB to see if we can improve that unit.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19932 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:40 am to
Lol looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
Posted by Mathias5k
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2018
1867 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:47 am to
Seems like we have some solid man to man corners. Maybe we should try to run it some more lol
Posted by TigahTX
Member since Apr 2022
845 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:00 pm to
No reason to not mix in the young guys. The more experienced players are missing assignments anyways. At some point a coach has to be able to adjust his scheme to what fits his most talented players.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279526 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:18 pm to
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The issue is these same coaches had Perkins at ILB, and both Penn and Weeks on the bench. They also started Chestnut over Harris and let Lacy drop multiple big passes in game 1 before giving most of his reps to Hilton and Anderson. Speaking of Anderson, they touted him as an all world punt returner only to have him muff the first one and never be given another opportunity.



Within the scope of a full college football season, these things were corrected swiftly and with intent. This is an ignorant criticism.

In Denver Harris case, his issues had nothing to do with talent.

Brian Kelly has been fair about playing the best players regardless of class, or even off the field issues like Harris this year and Boutte last year
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:35 pm to
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I truly don’t understand why Welch doesn’t see the field

He clearly hasn't paid his debts.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12140 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:42 pm to
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In Denver Harris case, his issues had nothing to do with talent.



Sure sure got "aligned" quickly, after Coleman exposed our weaknesses at CB.
Posted by DCtiger1
Panama City Beach
Member since Jul 2009
8886 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

Forgive me if I don't blindly trust the coaches to know which players will perform best when given the opportunity.


Yes, random internet sports board posters know best
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4730 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:50 pm to
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They also started Chestnut over Harris

I don’t think this had anything to do with talent. Harris wasn’t even with the team just a week before that. That was definitely disciplinary. He started game 2.
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Speaking of Anderson, they touted him as an all world punt returner only to have him muff the first one and never be given another opportunity.

He got taken off of the kickoff team as well. Kelly said in his press conference that they weren’t going to give up on him from just 1 muff, so it must’ve been something that continued to happen in practice.
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Forgive me if I don't blindly trust the coaches to know which players will perform best when given the opportunity.

What other choice do you have? In the case of Welch, it’s pretty clear he’s been passed up by Stamps. When a true freshman is getting reps before him, it isn’t because the coaches “value experience”. It should tell you where they see him as a player at the moment.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
3736 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:52 pm to
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He's probably best in man to man coverage and we run a frick ton of zone.



I'm certainly not "the coach is an idiot" guy but if you have two guys at corner who are really good at man, and you've been dogshite running zone with the guys you got out there..........well...........adjust to your personnel and call more man.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
9299 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:52 pm to
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Within the scope of a full college football season, these things were corrected swiftly and with intent


Not before we lost our opener. I also don't remember Miles or O having to make wholesale changes after the opener all that often but with Kelly its been 2 years in a row. I get last year he didn't really know his team yet but this year there should be no reason for half the defense to be replaced after the opener in year 2.

I am not down on Kelly overall because as you said, he sees the issue and makes the changes quickly. But this thread is about giving a guy a chance at a position that is struggling and with the info we have, the fact that a guy hasn't played yet does not mean they aren't possibly the best guy for the job.

Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
9299 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:54 pm to
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In the case of Welch, it’s pretty clear he’s been passed up by Stamps.


I don't care if they try Welch, Stamps, or a walk on. But good lord TRY SOMETHING!

If it fails miserably, you can go back to the guys that are playing now and at least we know that no stone was left unturned.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279526 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:57 pm to
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also don't remember Miles or O having to make wholesale changes after the opener


Neither of them inherited a program in the shape Kelly did either.

And specifically in 2023, the whole defense is basically new players. A bunch of them not even with the program last year. I understand big boy CFB is cut throat but they deserve a little bit of grace here.
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
3881 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:59 pm to
He’s not ready to play.

You want 5-6 busted coverages a game instead of 2?

The coaches know what they are doing.
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