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re: In case you missed it (like I did), archaeologists discovered ancient city of Sodom
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:23 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:23 pm to theunknownknight
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Jesus is the Hellenized name of Joshua
Winner!
Check out KJV:
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4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Then NAS:
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8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
The new testament was written in Greek. The OT was written in Hebrew, but a translation of it was written in Greek, called the Septuagint, 3BC or so. The Greek word for Joshua is the same Greek word the KJV translators translated into Jesus. They did it that way for every case, including verse 8, which shows how stupid they were. But further, Rome's influence and Latin with the name. In Latin, 'Jesus's' name is Iesus. But Guess what? Latin doesn't have a J in the alphabet.
In English:
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John Wycliffe (1380s) used the spelling Ihesus and also used Ihesu ('J' was then a swash glyph variant of 'I', not considered to be a separate letter until the 1629 Cambridge 1st Revision King James Bible where "Jesus" first appeared) in oblique cases, and also in the accusative, and sometimes, apparently without ...
We went from Hebrew, to Greek, to Latin, to English to get Jesus. So, what's the only name in which we may be saved? It ain't Jesus. I'd vote for Joshua.
And if you're amazed how the translators could have gotten the most important name in the NT wrong, there's a whole lot out there to be amazed about too.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:32 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Turns out they are finding more and more really old stuff that doesn’t fit into the “standard history“. Thanks so much older than the Bible, and from all around the world too.
People who think the Bible is fiction are dumb. Now you can argue if the God referenced in the Bible exists or if it was just a book written by many men full of moral lessons and historical stories that was designed to form the basis of modern civilization and moral standards. But the people were real and so were the stories and places.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:38 pm to theunknownknight
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Jesus is the Hellenized name of Joshua James is the Hellenized name of Jacob
That's besides the point. This was not a new interpretation of what names meant or how they were spelled. It was using modern equipment that found a mistake.
The best way to describe it is through an analogy:
Let's say in 100 AD they find a carving with what looks like 'X.'
So, they keep copying the name with an 'X' for 1,000+ years.
Then someone in 2020 uses a super optic ray gun and says:
"Hey, it's actually 'M' not 'X'."
"What????"
"Come look!"
"Well, shite."
But I'm not on a mission to change the name of Jesus. I was just pointing out why I think the history of religion is actually more interesting than religious doctrine.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:29 pm to Meauxjeaux
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If that’s the way you think it works
That's the way YOU think it works
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:11 pm to LaPride55
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So you are saying archeologists are finding artifacts that disprove the Bible? I have seen the opposite.
You're asking me? That's not anything like what I said.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:16 pm to F73ME
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There are some really convincing arguments that a major global flood event happened about 11.5k years ago. Every culture has a flood myth, there is geological evidence of an extraterrestrial impact in the soils of north America that date to that time, and lines up with the date Plato gives for the sinking of Atlantis
Yep. The Younger Dryas period syncs up with there being a massive event that could have impacted the whole planet. Randall Carlson has some awesome stuff to stay about it.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:17 am to Shamoan
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Interesting things to consider.
Yep, the twin cities were just where I thought they existed - south of the Dead Sea. Although I placed them slightly southwest of the present southern shore.
Some fascinating discoveries, especially as it applies to the charred remains (bones) found at the sites. The description of a remarkably preserved half skeleton of an unfortunate individual caught my attention. Why was the bottom half of the skeleton completely intact up to the charred waist - the top half of the skeleton missing? After careful study, the Archeologist determined the individual was standing behind a waist-high wall. When the searing blast hit, the force and intense heat of the blast blew the top half of the body (at waist level) completely off. The bottom half shielded by the waist-high wall. Ouch!
Where was the sulfur and vast quantities of salt? You need look no further than where the waters of the Dead Sea receded. There's a reason they call it the Dead Sea. What I would consider another major discovery? Evidence of a Pillar of Salt containing bones pointing to the possible remains of Lot's wife. Would be interesting to attempt a DNA testing match. THAT discovery would be mind-boggling. Can't wait to get my hands on that book.
Regardless, the lesson I learned from this research? Do NOT taunt the God of Abraham. Things can go south really really fast.
Well Alexander, change your ways, or change your name - Alexander the Great to the thief named Alexander
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:22 am to DreauxB2015
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Why did GOD stop ? Seems he stepped away from the game and the let the evil fricks take over .
Christ was the final revelation of God's truth. Everything since then has been building up to the Second Coming. However, God has definitely given us miracles and signs since the end of the Apostolic Age in AD 100. Read up on the Miracle of Fatima from 1917.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:46 am to Zach
quote:Now they do, of course, but was this the case when they were first copied ... 10-20 years (or less) after the first draft?quote:The problem is, you're thinking of actual text. The original documents look like scratches a bear would make on your windshield.
Are you saying that this early text included the Aramaic version of "Jakov" (Jacob) and that it was erroneously copied as "Yeshua," which eventually became "Jesus?"
Do you recall what name is being asserted as "the original?" If I understand you, it is the Aramaic version of "Yakov" or "Jakov," rather than the Aramaic "Yeshua." Is that correct?
If you don't recall where you saw it, no prob. I am just asking for your best recollection.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:53 am to theunknownknight
quote:"Yehoshua" was an earlier Hebrew version of the later Aramaic names "Yeshua" and "Joshua"
Jesus is the Hellenized name of Joshua
James is the Hellenized name of Jacob
Mary is the Hellenized name of Miriam
Simon Barjona is the Hellenized name of Shimon son of Jonah
and Barabbas was Yeshua bar Abbas (Yeshua, son or Abbas) in many Greek transcripts.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:53 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:read the Talmud
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Judeo-Christian
these words do NOT belong together
reads like the worst of the Koran
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:27 am to deltaland
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But the people were real and so were the stories and places.
So a man parted a sea? And had a conversation with a burning bush?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:49 pm to AggieHank86
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Barabbas was Yeshua bar Abbas (Yeshua, son or Abbas) in many Greek transcripts.
And Bar Abba (in Aramaic) means “son of the father”. So, the criminal to be executed with Jesus the Messiah, was Jesus son of the Father.
Weird, until one realizes this is a re-telling of the story of the day of atonement (absent from 2nd temple Judaism, but central to first temple theology). The day of atonement practices is detailed in Leviticus (but absent from Deuteronomist literature). According to the Deuteronomist, Yahweh told Moses that no one could atone for the sins of another - that each person was responsible for their own sin. That is counter to Jesus’ message of “taking away the sins of the world”. On the day of atonement, two identical unblemished goats were selected to be sacrificed. One goat was sacrificed to free the people of sin, and the other was released back into the wild to carry those sins away from Israel. Jesus the messiah was the sacrificial goat, while Jesus bar Abbas carried those sins away to AzazEl.
Who was AzazEl? He was an another Elohim (divine spirit, lesser god, demon) whose domain was the wilderness and chaos. All detailed very nicely in Leviticus chapter 16.
Thanks for bringing up this subject Hank.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:03 pm to Zach
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Best thing I found was the real name of Jesus. It was Jacob.
I don’t think there was a historical Jesus. However, if there was, he would been called “Yeshua” or “Yehoshua” or “Joshua” or similar. It is Jesus and Joshua that are the same name.
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Also 'Yahweh' was just a wild guess at the original Hebrew text which contained no vowels at the time of it's writing.
I don’t know if it was a wild guess, but rather an educated guess. Rather than possibly being wrong, the Hebrews chose not to say the name. They were scared Yahweh would kill them all like he did to so many other undeserving people in the Bible.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:15 pm to F73ME
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There are some really convincing arguments that a major global flood event happened about 11.5k years ago.
There has literally never been found any evidence of the sort.
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Every culture has a flood myth,
Nearly all ancient cultures were centered about a river, because they needed a reliable drinking water source and irrigation source for crops. Rivers flood, but not all rivers flood simultaneously.
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geological evidence of an extraterrestrial impact in the soils
What’s neat about those kinds of impacts along with major volcanic eruptions is that their evidence can be seen in rock layers everywhere in the world. The dust blankets the earth, then settles, and that forms rock layers that can be verified scientifically. Some major floods sometimes leave evidence in rocks layers, but there is no evidence of a global flood to be found.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:24 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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Judeo-Christian
these words do NOT belong together
Depends which Jewish religion. First temple Judaism fits very well with Christianity as Christianity descended from it. Second temple Judaism, which is a new religion fabricated by power-hungry second temple priests and Zoroastrian Persian governors and scribes, bares little resemblance to Christianity. Do you think the Persian governor, Zerubabbel, was really descended from King David, or do you think it’s more than likely made up as an excuse to rule Judah? To add context, Zerubabbel means “son of Babylon”. In Christian texts, you will often find that they disfavored Babylon
.Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:34 pm to deltaland
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People who think the Bible is fiction are dumb.
It’s mostly fiction. Just because Huckleberry Finn traveled down the Mississippi River (a real thing) doesn’t make the story non-fiction. Just because there are many real things mentioned in the Bible doesn’t mean the supernatural stories are non-fiction.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:40 pm to Zarkinletch416
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Regardless, the lesson I learned from this research? Do NOT taunt the God of Abraham. Things can go south really really fast.
The god of Abraham, El Elyon (god most high), is not Yahweh (the god I believe you are referring to). The king of Jerusalem and priest of El Elyon, Melchizedek, blessed Abraham with bread and wine. El Elyon never killed anyone in the Bible. Now Yahweh, Elyon’s son, was a bloodthirsty killer. Yahweh received rule of Israel through an inheritance from El Elyon (see Deuteronomy 32:8-9). Yahweh is the one you didn’t want to piss off! Yahweh is the god of Moses, not Abraham.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 7:23 pm to F73ME
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Every culture has a flood myth,
Most cultures experience flooding, occasionally on a scale that undoubtedly seems apocalyptic to those who live through it. Growing up I heard many stories of my family fleeing the flood waters of '27. They knew it wasn't global but they had access to communications that weren't around 11.5k years ago.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:14 pm to Squirrelmeister
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The god I believe you are referring to
I'm referencing the God of Abraham who showed up at Lot's front door. The same God whom Abraham negotiated (Genesis 18:23-33) with God for Lot's neck, his wife's neck, and daughters, and as many as he could save. It must have been a hideous city - Lot only succeeded in saving himself, and his two daughters, but couldn't even convince his two son-in-laws to leave. Regrettably, Lot had a nosy wife. I'm thinking, she's still out there somewhere holding up a Pillar of Salt.
Trust me, I'll be following progress in Archeological digs in that area for sure. Heck, the fact they even found bones lying around there is significant. Not saying it's S&G bones, but it's a start.
We Christians get taunted and prodded for believing in what they call 'Biblical Mythology'. I'll tell you upfront, I believe the events described in the Bible are real, and this discovery of Sodom only proves the authenticity of Sacred Scripture. Now what I would like to see is for the skeptics to acknowledge: 1) The existence of 'one' Supreme God, 2) a God of Mercy and Compassion, 3) a God who deserves our Adoration and Praise. 4) a God who can get angry on occasion when his laws are ignored or broken and, 5) the biblical description of the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah is real, and there is archeological evidence to prove it happened. Based on that revelation the skeptics can then choose to believe or not. But the existence of Sodom & Gomorrah is an archeological and historical reality - it did exist and was destroyed in a cataclysmic event.
Fair enough?
This post was edited on 9/9/23 at 6:24 am
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