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re: Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:32 am to rooster108bm
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:32 am to rooster108bm
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l I'm just trying to explain the logic they are using. A
But you're not, though.
All states consider murder illegal.
Not all states consider abortion illegal.
Your hypothetical involved murder, so the conspiracy in one state will always be related to a crime in the other state.
This hypothetical in no way applies to the argument in OP re: conspiring to do something legal in another state (abortion).
You just keep changing parts of your argument, and I don't think you're even being dishonest. I just think this is beyond your brain right now. You're just changing facts and arguments to fit your argument. Perhaps another cup of coffee would be advisable?
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:32 am
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Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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These laws passed in grey areas for similar zealotry always revert back to the same discussion on conspiracy.
The argument may not be in the same species, but they're all in the same genus.
"Pretending" makes a much larger difference than you're admitting. Like, all the difference.
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The same applies to RDS supporters re: Trump.
Just take the L.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your hypothetical involved murder
The Human Life Protection Act classifies the performance of an illegal abortion as a Class A felony equivalent to rape and murder.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:37 am to rooster108bm
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The Human Life Protection Act classifies the performance of an illegal abortion as a Class A felony equivalent to rape and murder.
And my home's flooring is pvc with a faux wood print.
So fricking what?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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You people just see everything as 2 sides
Here we go again. Jesus.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:38 am to rooster108bm
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an illegal abortion
It’s not an illegal abortion when it occurs in a state that allows abortion.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I really thought by now that Trump supporters would understand the dangers of our current criminal justice system.
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You people just see everything as 2 sides
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:40 am to rooster108bm
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The Human Life Protection Act classifies the performance of an illegal abortion as a Class A felony equivalent to rape and murder.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:40 am to boosiebadazz
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It’s not an illegal abortion when it occurs in a state that allows abortion.
What if winning an online argument requires that it does count as an illegal abortion? It counts then, right?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:42 am to boosiebadazz
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It’s not an illegal abortion when it occurs in a state that allows abortion.
I didn't say it was.
Alabama Code Title 13A. Criminal Code § 13A-4-4A conspiracy formed in this state to do an act beyond the state, which, if done in this state, would be a criminal offense, is indictable and punishable in this state in all respects as if such conspiracy had been to do such act in this state.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:43 am to AggieHank86
I don't agree with abortion. There is many things the pubic is not told. If you blatantly screw you need to face the consequences. Why would you kill a child just because you don't want to have it? You are being sold a bunch of goods that they tell you is just rape and incest (far from the truth). These people are screwing and don't want to face the fact they messed up). Take a child's life over consensual sexual relations? The problem is not rape or incest in the fact you are being told.
They wont tell you or support the idea of people adopting.
There is a many good people out there that can, and are willing to adopt these children.
We have winning football and Nick Saban, dammit!
They wont tell you or support the idea of people adopting.
There is a many good people out there that can, and are willing to adopt these children.
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"Recreational marijuana is legal in Colorado, so Jim is going to Colorado to ski and get high!!!!"
Alabama: "Jim, hold on. We are arresting you and everyone who helped you get to Colorado, because recreational use of the Devil's Lettuce is illegal here in the great state of Alabama."
We have winning football and Nick Saban, dammit!
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:46 am to faraway
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which part of the constitution is being violated?
4th and 14th Amendments, for starters.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:56 am to Azkiger
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"Pretending" makes a much larger difference than you're admitting. Like, all the difference.
But, just as there is no crime in the scenario in OP, there is no victim in that case.
It's also similar to the "terrorism" stuff the FBI has been doing for about 20 years (originally with Jihadists and now with "Right wing" terrorists), where there is no plot and they encourage people to commit a crime (Which will never happen)
It should all be illegal.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:58 am to rooster108bm
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Alabama Code Title 13A. Criminal Code § 13A-4-4A conspiracy formed in this state to do an act beyond the state, which, if done in this state, would be a criminal offense, is indictable and punishable in this state in all respects as if such conspiracy had been to do such act in this state.
I doubt this would pass serious Constitutional muster when the "crime" isn't a crime in the second state, but it's been about 18 years since I've read a Dormant Commerce Clause case, so I'm a bit rusty.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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You would think fans of Trump would understand this pretty well by now.
As someone who would fall in that category on this board since I don't shite my pantaloons in rage every time Trump is mentioned, I reject the premise of your sarcasm.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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But, just as there is no crime in the scenario in OP, there is no victim in that case.
Good point.
How can it be conspiracy to commit a non-crime?
It'll be interesting to see this play out.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:19 am to rooster108bm
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The Human Life Protection Act classifies the performance of an illegal abortion as a Class A felony equivalent to rape and murder.
What state?
This is a perfect example of the slippery slope and why its a real phenomenon. If this is enforced, progs will use it to prosecute you.
Unintended consequences of government actions are responsible for most of our dysfunction in this country.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
It's also interesting that they're not targeting the mother.
Why is it conspiracy to help the mother plan an abortion but not conspiracy for the mother to plan an abortion?
This seems extremely political.
Why is it conspiracy to help the mother plan an abortion but not conspiracy for the mother to plan an abortion?
This seems extremely political.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:45 am to wackatimesthree
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I'm not for any iteration of this type of law. Even the one that prosecutes child rapists who go abroad.
No shite. Groom groom.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:45 am to Chancellor
To be prosecuted for a conspiracy, you must conspire TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL. If the object of the conspiracy is legal, there is no actionable conspiracy. It simply is not illegal to have an abortion in NY; thus, it is not illegal to plan to have an abortion in NY. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, federalism requires this.
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