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Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions

Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65046 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:19 pm
The gauntlet has been thrown down. Deus vult.

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In a court filing Monday, attorneys for Attorney General Steve Marshall wrote that providing transportation for women in Alabama to leave the state to get an abortion could amount to a “criminal conspiracy.”

The court filing comes in response to lawsuits against Marshall that was filed in July from two women’s health centers and Yellowhammer Fund, an organization which says it provides “financial and practical support for those who are pregnant and require assistance.” The plaintiffs argue that Marshall violated their constitutional rights by publicly stating that organizations which help pregnant women in Alabama get an abortion out of state could be criminally investigated.

“Alabama can no more regulate out-of-state abortions than another state can deem its laws legalizing abortions to apply to Alabama,” the Yellowhammer Fund lawsuit argues.

Marshall is now asking Judge Myron Thompson to dismiss the lawsuit, saying that helping a woman avoid Alabama’s restrictions by facilitating an abortion elsewhere is a conspiracy.

“The conspiracy is what is being punished, even if the final conduct never occurs,” Marshall’s filing states. “That conduct is Alabama-based and is within Alabama’s power to prohibit.”

Alabama has one of the strictest abortion bans in the country. In the wake of the Dobbs Supreme Court decision last summer, several Republican-led states passed strict anti-abortion laws, while several others, including Alabama, that had passed so-called trigger laws anticipating an eventual overturn of Roe v. Wade saw their new restrictions go into effect.


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Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21886 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:22 pm to
Republicans enjoying doing unConstitutional things.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118742 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:23 pm to
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Republicans enjoying doing unConstitutional things.



The courts will decide.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2224 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Republicans enjoying doing unConstitutional things.


There’s nothing unConstitutional about this.

Sorry you can’t murder little black babies, bitch.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19445 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:25 pm to

Stick to fighting the dems "birthday abortion" policies.

Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6842 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:26 pm to
I'm anti-abortion, but this would be a dangerous precedent to begin.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
1585 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:29 pm to
Sounds like felony murder to me.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2224 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:29 pm to
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“The conspiracy is what is being punished, even if the final conduct never occurs,” Marshall’s filing states. “That conduct is Alabama-based and is within Alabama’s power to prohibit.”


This is correct. It’s an easy decision.

However, Judge Thompson is a liberal activist- especially on the subject of murdering children.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
1585 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:30 pm to
The Alabama State Constitution?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:32 pm to
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Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions
It was just a matter of time. Zealots gonna zealot.

Is Alabama also paying $10,000 "bounties" to people who rat them out, like Texas?

Imagine that Rhode Island criminalized eating beef, and then prosecuted anyone who crossed the state line to eat a steak.

(some genius will now assert that I claimed the situations were identical, rather than analogous)
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2224 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:34 pm to
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Is Alabama also paying "bounties" to people who rat them out, like Texas?


I wish.

Hopefully, we will be, soon.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80210 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:34 pm to
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There’s nothing unConstitutional about this


Full faith and credit clause? Federalism? State sovereignty?
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2224 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:34 pm to
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Full faith and credit clause? Federalism? State sovereignty?


The conspiracy is the crime being punished.

State sovereignty isn’t violated. The conspiracy happens in Alabama.

You’re welcome.
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
2377 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:35 pm to
Is this guy GOPe? Is he trying to throw the coming election using abortion like Miss Lindsey did in 2022?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80210 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:48 pm to
I can’t think of another historical analogue of trying to punish a conspiracy to commit an act that is perfectly legal where you intend to commit it.

I can think of the Pandora’s box this would open up and I’m curious how SCOTUS would see it.

Under this rationale, Texas could punish its citizens for conspiracy to cross the border and gamble in Lake Charles.

I can see dormant commerce clause issues there.
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260223 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

In a court filing Monday, attorneys for Attorney General Steve Marshall wrote that providing transportation for women in Alabama to leave the state to get an abortion could amount to a “criminal conspiracy.”


Hes a dumbass and more damaging to his cause than enlightening.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67069 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:49 pm to
I don’t like this from a states’ rights perspective. This is going to open up a really bad can of worms by slickening a slew of slippery slopes.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260223 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:50 pm to
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I'm anti-abortion, but this would be a dangerous precedent to begin.


Especially when the argument has been that its a state vs federal issue.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:52 pm to
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I can’t think of another historical analogue of trying to punish a conspiracy to commit an act that is perfectly legal where you intend to commit it.
"Recreational marijuana is legal in Colorado, so Jim is going to Colorado to ski and get high!!!!"

Alabama: "Jim, hold on. We are arresting you and everyone who helped you get to Colorado, because recreational use of the Devil's Lettuce is illegal here in the great state of Alabama."

This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 3:06 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9902 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

I can’t think of another historical analogue of trying to punish a conspiracy to commit an act that is perfectly legal where you intend to commit it.


Fugitive slave act?
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