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re: Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:21 am to rooster108bm
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:21 am to rooster108bm
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Thanks for making my point. Alabama considers abortion as murder.
You're having a different conversation, then.
This discussion isn't about traveling to Alabama for an abortion, it's traveling from Alabama to have an abortion.
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Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:22 am to boosiebadazz
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That law needs to face constitutional muster.
I agree, but so does the one you linked to.
There's at least a federal law that prohibits smoking weed, even in Colorado. But there's no federal law against abortion. So I don't see any more of a thread tying this question together than I do prosecuting people for leaving the country to commit an act that is illegal here but not illegal there.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:24 am to rooster108bm
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If I mail money for someone to purchase a firearm to murder someone in another state should my state be able to charge me with conspiracy?
Think about crossing state borders to shoot a firearm with a magazine which is illegal in your state. California dudes do it constantly.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:24 am to rooster108bm
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Alabama considers abortion as murder.
Not currently, although there is a bill out there that would make it so if passed.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:25 am to Azkiger
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This discussion isn't about traveling to Alabama for an abortion, it's traveling from Alabama to have an abortion.
No it's not. It's about charging someone with conspiracy to pay for someone to travel out of state to commit what Alabama considers murder.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:25 am to Azkiger
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it's traveling from Alabama to have an abortion.
Alabama should have no say in the matter.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Think about crossing state borders to shoot a firearm with a magazine which is illegal in your state.
Exactly.
The zealots are hyper-focused on abortion and are completely ignoring how the same justification allowing for a minority of states to control national rules could apply just as easily to the 2A and backdoor national regulations.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:26 am to rooster108bm
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what Alabama considers murder.
Did that bill already pass and I just can't find any news on it?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:26 am to rooster108bm
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It's about charging someone with conspiracy to pay for someone to travel out of state to commit what Alabama considers murder.
It totally flies in the face of right wing ideals regarding federalism and states rights.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think that federal law is/should be constitutional.
Thanks for the "I don't know."
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Nor do I think that a person should be prosecuted for soliciting a minor when they were really talking to an adult pretending to be a minor.
TF does this have to do with my hypothetical?
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I really thought by now that Trump supporters would understand the dangers of our current criminal justice system.
I'm rooting for Ron.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:27 am to rooster108bm
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This discussion isn't about traveling to Alabama for an abortion, it's traveling from Alabama to have an abortion.
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No it's not.
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It's about charging someone with conspiracy to pay for someone to travel out of state
Can't make this "logic" up
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
Not to mention freedom to travel
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It totally flies in the face of right wing ideals regarding federalism and states rights.
Then why don't you like it? Are you saying you espouse extremist right wing ideals?
If not, aren't you being just as hypocritical about supporting state's rights when they involve something you like, but against them when the question involves something you don't like?
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:30 am
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:28 am to rooster108bm
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No it's not. It's about charging someone with conspiracy to pay for someone to travel out of state to commit what Alabama considers murder.
That the state they're traveling to also considers murder.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:29 am to Azkiger
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TF does this have to do with my hypothetical?
These laws passed in grey areas for similar zealotry always revert back to the same discussion on conspiracy.
The argument may not be in the same species, but they're all in the same genus.
So this law, the federal law cited, and the common practice I cited are all related pretty closely in terms of rhetoric and justification.
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I'm rooting for Ron.
The same applies to RDS supporters re: Trump.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
I agree. I'm not saying it's constitutional I'm just trying to explain the logic they are using. And everyone on this board would have no problem with this law if it was used for other purposes than abortion.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:30 am to wackatimesthree
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Are you saying you espouse extremist right wing ideals?
Certain ones
You people just see everything as 2 sides so any agreement with any part of one side lumps you in with EVERYTHING from that side.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:31 am to rooster108bm
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And everyone on this board would have no problem with this law if it was used for other purposes than abortion.
I would.
Laws like this lead to constitutional protections. It seems you folks just don't understand that fighting these battles mean you lose.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:31 am to rooster108bm
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And everyone on this board would have no problem with this law if it was used for other purposes than abortion.
Wrong.
I'm not for any iteration of this type of law. Even the one that prosecutes child rapists who go abroad.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Certain ones
You people just see everything as 2 sides so any agreement with any part of one side lumps you in with EVERYTHING from that side.
Who is "you people?"
And the rest of your post is rich with irony.
The nuance you claim was absent is clearly expressed in the second part of the post, which you conveniently chose to ignore.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:34 am
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