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Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:47 am to Redstickbaw
I do. His name is Mr. TheBoo. He is free.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:48 am to Redstickbaw
quote:a fool and his money....
pay someone .75-1% annually of your portfolio value.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:53 pm to Redstickbaw
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Anyone here have a financial planner?
I do, but he also does not have every dollar my portfolio.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:05 pm to Redstickbaw
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seems expensive to pay someone .75-1% annually of your portfolio value
That is really expensive.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:14 pm to UltimaParadox
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That is really expensive.
Vanguard did a white paper on this years ago and came to the conclusion that the value a quality financial advisor adds to the mix is 3%/year.
The standard for financial advisors is between 1-1.5%/ yr.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:33 pm to Redstickbaw
It really depends on the scenario if we are talking financial planning and managing. Paying someone 0.75-1% per year to put your money in funds with expenses can really add up.
If you pay someone 0.75% and they actively manage your portfolio in stocks only where you have no additional expenses, there can definitely be some benefits.
If you pay someone 0.75% and they actively manage your portfolio in stocks only where you have no additional expenses, there can definitely be some benefits.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:47 pm to Redstickbaw
We have almost $700k across 4 accounts with Raymond James and pay our advisor/planner who is here local in Denver 1%. He's fairly active in our multiple accounts. Asks us before making any big moves, telling/showing us why he wants to make those moves. Smaller moves he does himself, dropping this, adding that. I get a confirmation email every month or so of him adjusting our holdings/investments. He's also helped us shore up things we were lacking regarding our rental properties, get us with a good CPA for taxes, and guided us to an estate lawyer and helped with that process to get our trust and wills done (we recently had our first child). Just need to get the LLC done for our 2 rental properties. He even provides some advice/guidance with our other accounts we don't have with Raymond James (employer 401k, TDA/Schwab individual trading accounts, etc) when I ask him for advice.
In my opinion, he definitely earns his 1% fee. We're well ahead of where we were 5 years ago.
Just my 2c from our experience with one for the past 5 years.
ETA: He's born and raised here, went to high school with a couple of my close friends, has always had a good reputation as a person going back to his HS days. With that mutual friend/personal relationship angle, I trust him to work on behalf of our best interest (which in turn make his paycheck bigger), as opposed to some random guy/gal chosen for us by one of the big investment houses. We meet with him for dinner and some drinks about once every quarter.
In my opinion, he definitely earns his 1% fee. We're well ahead of where we were 5 years ago.
Just my 2c from our experience with one for the past 5 years.
ETA: He's born and raised here, went to high school with a couple of my close friends, has always had a good reputation as a person going back to his HS days. With that mutual friend/personal relationship angle, I trust him to work on behalf of our best interest (which in turn make his paycheck bigger), as opposed to some random guy/gal chosen for us by one of the big investment houses. We meet with him for dinner and some drinks about once every quarter.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:49 pm to Shepherd88
The only value I can see is to keep investors from panicking when the inevitable market crash comes.
I have fairly high risk tolerance,I’ve been through ‘87,’90,2008-2009 and I didn’t change a thing.
Some of my co-workers ‘08-‘09 cashed in their 401K’s,took the loss and paid tax penalties.A brother in law did also.
I have several friends and relatives that got hosed by Edward Jones,selling them variable annuities,load funds and debentures.An elderly aunt by marriage had her money with Edward Jones,her son looked into it and found rep.was churning her account.
I guess there might be some good advisors,unless one is an extremely high earner with real estate holdings and needs a tax attorney&CPA’s I can’t see it.
I think I’ve done well enough investing in blue chip stocks and index mutual funds.
My personal risk tolerance never allowed for margin investing,options trading or commodities.
I have fairly high risk tolerance,I’ve been through ‘87,’90,2008-2009 and I didn’t change a thing.
Some of my co-workers ‘08-‘09 cashed in their 401K’s,took the loss and paid tax penalties.A brother in law did also.
I have several friends and relatives that got hosed by Edward Jones,selling them variable annuities,load funds and debentures.An elderly aunt by marriage had her money with Edward Jones,her son looked into it and found rep.was churning her account.
I guess there might be some good advisors,unless one is an extremely high earner with real estate holdings and needs a tax attorney&CPA’s I can’t see it.
I think I’ve done well enough investing in blue chip stocks and index mutual funds.
My personal risk tolerance never allowed for margin investing,options trading or commodities.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:06 pm to ColoradoAg03
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We have almost $700k across 4 accounts with Raymond James and pay our advisor/planner who is here local in Denver 1%. He's fairly active in our multiple accounts. Asks us before making any big moves, telling/showing us why he wants to make those moves. Smaller moves he does himself, dropping this, adding that. I get a confirmation email every month or so of him adjusting our holdings/investments. He's also helped us shore up things we were lacking regarding our rental properties, get us with a good CPA for taxes, and guided us to an estate lawyer and helped with that process to get our trust and wills done (we recently had our first child). Just need to get the LLC done for our 2 rental properties. He even provides some advice/guidance with our other accounts we don't have with Raymond James (employer 401k, TDA/Schwab individual trading accounts, etc) when I ask him for advice.
In my opinion, he definitely earns his 1% fee. We're well ahead of where we were 5 years ago.
Just my 2c from our experience with one for the past 5 years.
This is well said. This is what mine does as well. It's more than just managing an account. It's access to people that can help further your investments, just not with that one person. That's what the good ones do.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:23 pm to b-rab2
As I see it, a financial advisor will be a small drag on growth during the bull runs. But the active management should see huge benefits during the bears.
I've tracked my 401k vs a manager for a few years.
On the good years, I may be up 15% and he is up 13%. In the down years (snapshots), I'm down 15% and he's down 2%. And he's capable of buying value to potentially double benefit on the next ride up.
Talking to him about his anonymous clients...
He has to convince them to stay with him during the good years (his client's dick measuring with neighbors) but always earns their trust and loyalty when things turn to shite. For his individual stock picks, he has to hold their hand on long positions as well.
Human nature is always second guessing having a manager... and human nature is always second guessing holding when the irrational fears set in.
He sounds like 70% of his client interactions is babysitting.
I've tracked my 401k vs a manager for a few years.
On the good years, I may be up 15% and he is up 13%. In the down years (snapshots), I'm down 15% and he's down 2%. And he's capable of buying value to potentially double benefit on the next ride up.
Talking to him about his anonymous clients...
He has to convince them to stay with him during the good years (his client's dick measuring with neighbors) but always earns their trust and loyalty when things turn to shite. For his individual stock picks, he has to hold their hand on long positions as well.
Human nature is always second guessing having a manager... and human nature is always second guessing holding when the irrational fears set in.
He sounds like 70% of his client interactions is babysitting.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:36 pm to ColoradoAg03
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:46 pm to Redstickbaw
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I’m concerned planners are trying to time the market by making moves. It’s not like they have some insider information before stocks jump or go down. The only moves I can see them making is reallocating a portfolio but I seriously doubt this needs to be done on a monthly basis.
Sure there is always a market timing aspect. That is why my manager keeps some cash in my account to take advantage of buying opportunities. Plus, nothing is static. The markets change. The blue chip companies change. At some point portfolios have to be adjusted to compensate to high level market changes, especially interest rate changes and commodities.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:53 pm to Redstickbaw
Most good advisors know when to lean into risk and when to lean away from risk. I wouldn’t consider that market timing though.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:01 pm to Shepherd88
Once you reach retirement years. A good financial guy can be key in tax avoidance investing and withdrawing
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:03 pm to ColoradoAg03
Out of curiosity what has your average annual return been?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:31 pm to Redstickbaw
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What is the typical portfolio amount or person who uses a financial planner?
Probably lower than you think.
Outside of this board and other financial boards, most people are financially illiterate. 1% is paltry for those people. Then there is a subset of people who think as long as you’re buying low cost ETFs and funds, you’ll be fine, but those people don’t know what they don’t know, and may benefit from an actual plan. Lastly there are people who are disciplined, well versed in financial intricacies, particularly tax management, and they’re more than fine on their own.
Tax management in the accumulation phase, distribution phase, and at death are probably the most valuable part of a good planner, imo.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:08 pm to slackster
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Probably lower than you think.
Yep. I couldn't say it better myself. There are a ton of people who figure this out on their own, and they stalk the MT board because they find the topic interesting.
The majority of people who use a financial planner do so because they have zero desire to figure all of this out on their own. It's not that they are not smart and they enjoy paying fees, it's that they've neglected to do what they should do on their own because they effing hate the topic. That's why you won't find them on MT...
The majority of people who don't use a planner AND don't find the topic interesting second guess themselves at every turn and neglect their "planning". They find reasons to buy a boat, take a 401k loan, blow up $10,000 in fireworks, buy their 20th gun, get stuck in a timeshare, upgrade their car every other year, get convinced by their state farm guy to buy a whole life policy, etc. I could go for days...
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:38 pm to Redstickbaw
What’s funny about these answers is that a lot of y’all think “stock picking” and timing the market work. Too much data and research to the contrary.
The other thing that was only glossed over was looking at the expenses associated with funds/ETFs y’all are invested in, costs associated with buying in and out, and tax issues.
The other thing that was only glossed over was looking at the expenses associated with funds/ETFs y’all are invested in, costs associated with buying in and out, and tax issues.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:31 pm to Redstickbaw
I use one but the majority of my holding are in my work 401k. At some point I will roll it over to him
That said he is both my CPA and CFP.
Having these roles in one and the same person is worth its weight in gold come retirement.
That said he is both my CPA and CFP.
Having these roles in one and the same person is worth its weight in gold come retirement.
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