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re: "Gender affirming healthcare"
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:15 pm to SOSFAN
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:15 pm to SOSFAN
And in EVERY ONE of those sentences you just wrote, you have misrepresented my position.
It isn't your fault. I have long-ago concluded that you are simply not bright-enough to understand my actual positions.
It isn't your fault. I have long-ago concluded that you are simply not bright-enough to understand my actual positions.
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:17 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:
Again you point out one study.I
It was one study that followed trans people for 30 years. The longest study around and it was done in a country that supports trans. Show us a study, that lasted 3 decades, that disproves this one.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:18 pm to AggieHank86
If no one can clearly interpret your positions based on your own self-authored statements, maybe it’s you who isn’t so bright.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
And in EVERY ONE of those sentences you just wrote, you have misrepresented my position.
It isn't your fault. I have long-ago concluded that you are simply not bright-enough to understand my actual positions.
And there it is full denial backed with name calling. Just can't escape that narcissist personality can you Pedohank.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:20 pm to SOSFAN
It’s a common tactic of pedos to attack the intellect of their detractors.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:23 pm to dgnx6
quote:Another perfect example of the pattern of misrepresentation.
To recap Pedohank has advocated for putting child molesters in minimum security prisons.quote:
Oh shite…
I have SAID that ANY offender (any crime) that is at an elevated risk of being an assault victim in GenPop AND that is a low risk for attempted escape, should be put in a lower-security environment for FOUR reasons. First, the State has a constitutional obligation to protect prisoners from known assault risks. Second, the convict has been sentenced to lose his freedom for a fixed period of time, but NOT to assaults by other inmates. Third, a low-risk prisoner is just as likely to serve his full sentence in a lower-security environment. Fourth, the lower-security prison costs MUCH LESS per prisoner-day ... about 30% of the cost.
In other words, they will serve the entirety of the sentence assessed by the court, and they will do so at a lower cost to the taxpayer, while the state does NOT violate the Constitution. I see that as a "win" for good government on all counts.
This analysis is NOT limited to sex offenders, but the disingenuous SOS-type posters continue to insist (or sometimes just imply) that I am arguing for those offenders in particular. That is entirely false.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:24 pm to SOSFAN
quote:And it does not REMOTELY conclude what you claim it concludes. It draws the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion.
It was one study that followed trans people for 30 years.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:24 pm to AggieHank86
Everyone reading your words can’t understand what you really mean!
What’s a pedo to do?!?!
What’s a pedo to do?!?!
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:25 pm to SOSFAN
quote:
Show us a study, that lasted 3 decades, that disproves this one.
Here ya go
LINK
quote:
Abstract
Objective: This study explored the overall suicide death rate, the incidence over time, and the stage in transition where suicide deaths were observed in transgender people.
Methods: A chart study, including all 8263 referrals to our clinic since 1972. Information on death occurrence, time, and cause of death was obtained from multiple sources.
Results: Out of 5107 trans women (median age at first visit 28 years, median follow-up time 10 years) and 3156 trans men (median age at first visit 20 years, median follow-up time 5 years), 41 trans women and 8 trans men died by suicide. In trans women, suicide deaths decreased over time, while it did not change in trans men. Of all suicide deaths, 14 people were no longer in treatment, 35 were in treatment in the previous two years. The mean number of suicides in the years 2013-2017 was higher in the trans population compared with the Dutch population.
Conclusions: We observed no increase in suicide death risk over time and even a decrease in suicide death risk in trans women. However, the suicide risk in transgender people is higher than in the general population and seems to occur during every stage of transitioning. It is important to have specific attention for suicide risk in the counseling of this population and in providing suicide prevention programs.
Again there have been issues pointed out about this study as well as the Swedish study you keep going back to. You can research it your self and decide.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:25 pm to SOSFAN
quote:When you stop lying about my positions, I will stop calling you a disingenuous idiot.
And there it is full denial backed with name calling. Just can't escape that narcissist personality can you Pedohank
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:25 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
And it does not REMOTELY conclude what you claim it concludes. It draws the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion.
There you go again, arguing with people you “agree” with.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:27 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:WTF are you talking about?
There you go again, arguing with people you “agree” with.
I agree that we should not be performing transition surgery on minor children
SOS's continuing lies about that study have NOTHING to do with transition surgery for minor children.
absolutely every study that I have seen says exactly the opposite of what SOS is claiming. Transition surgery lessens the risk of suicide for TG folks, as compared to TG folks who do not do a surgical transition.
fewer people killing themselves strikes me as a good thing. Apparently, however, the bulk of this forum disagrees.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:41 pm to HoopyD
I’d be willing to negotiate and settle on just “gender affirming haircare.” But healthcare? It’s a bridge too far.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:48 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
One day, you will come to understand that there are MAYBE a dozen posters on this forum who can engage in a good-faith discussion WITHOUT accusing the other participant of some legal, moral or sexual failing or deviancy.
I know dude. At this point it kinda endearing. TBH this board is like a sharpening stone for my thoughts but sometimes these guys do offer me insight that alters my thoughts on things. The trans topic included
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:49 pm to AggieHank86
According to this Cnn article people who identify as trans have 3.5 x higher rate of suicide than general population. Yet you conceded the aforementioned study revealed that post op trans people have 20x higher rate of suicide than general population.
I’m not a highly respected board savant or anything but 20x is typically higher than 3.5x.
I’m not a highly respected board savant or anything but 20x is typically higher than 3.5x.
quote:
The study of more than 6.6 million people found that those who identified as trans had 7.7 times the rate of suicide attempts and 3.5 times the rate of suicide deaths than the broader Danish population
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:56 pm to HoopyD
quote:
If the argument is gender does not necessarily correlate with a person's sexual organs, then why is a surgery to alter the sexual organs to match the person's self-identified gender considered "gender affirming"?
This is the exact contradiction that nukes the whole thing.
I used to be considered progressive because I believed that you could be a girl that liked boy stuff, acted like a boy, etc and that was okay. You didn't need to conform.
Now? Nah, you gotta mutilate yourself to affirm your gender. So odd. It's a religion.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:18 pm to HoopyD
Not my body. Not my problem.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 6:21 am to SOSFAN
quote:
So you would sleep with a transman that has a real pussy.
so you mean a woman
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:43 am to AggieHank86
quote:
absolutely every study that I have seen says exactly the opposite of what SOS is claiming. Transition surgery lessens the risk of suicide for TG folks, as compared to TG folks who do not do a surgical transition.
I'm sure they are all trash, because as you know, studies that don't tow the groomer line aren't allowed to pass through the groomer filters.
However even if they weren't, you know how this was successfully treated for decades prior to groomers overtaking the field.
So, also as you know, this new groomer approach is pushing more people down this path of insanity.
So let me ask you, does a slightly lower percentage of a much larger population translate to more or less suicides?
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