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Well its pretty simple folks the biggest recruiting budgets get

Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:51 am
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
54861 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:51 am
the highly rated guys early. Go to the ranking for 2023 and it's like wow there it is right in front of our faces. The highest recruiting budgets have the most 5 star and high 4 stars already locked down. The NIL is great but doesn't mean much when the bagman for these top recruiting budgets drops off 250k in cash at the family's house.

Where is LSU in this list? And how many five stars do we have? This has been going on for over a decade now. The schools will say it is for dinners to take recruits out and going certain places but we know the highest bidder wins when the money is in the recruits pockets early.

The Biggest Bagman wins



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This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 8:54 am
Posted by Ikneauxnuffin
da bayou
Member since Dec 2019
643 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:53 am to
Outside of Georgia and Crapabama, ain’t many in that Top 10 getting much ROI.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
3735 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:55 am to
I just have a hard time believing Rutgers and Georgia Tech spend more in recruiting than LSU. I feel like there has to be more context to these numbers.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:59 am to
Well we finished top 5 last year overall and won the west. Other years we've had top 5 or better classes and none of those coveted 5* even stayed or saw significant playing time. It's only July. I think you would be smart to wait and see how it all shakes out in December before panicking. Kelly and this staff seem to know what they're doing a lot more than O did.
Posted by CRW
Destrahan
Member since Aug 2016
1109 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:08 am to
Well with taht said LSU has won 3NCs the last 20 yrs.IT
aint about rec budgets its about the right players.ALA
has had one of best classes and hasnt won a NC in 3 yrs.
Getting great teammates are 2 different things.Its great
getting 5 Stars but do their egos ruin a lockeroom.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
946 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:16 am to
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Well with taht said LSU has won 3NCs the last 20 yrs.IT aint about rec budgets its about the right players.ALA has had one of best classes and hasnt won a NC in 3 yrs. Getting great teammates are 2 different things.Its great getting 5 Stars but do their egos ruin a lockeroom.


Are you a robot?
Posted by Ironhead985
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
8771 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:21 am to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28745 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:27 am to
quote:

I just have a hard time believing Rutgers and Georgia Tech spend more in recruiting than LSU. I feel like there has to be more context to these numbers.


quote:

What exactly is USA Today tracking in the college football recruiting spending category? The publication writes:

“Recruiting expenses cover transportation, lodging and meals for recruits, additional personnel for official and unofficial visits, phone charges and postage for pursuing recruits and the value of schools’ vehicles and planes or those used by the school for recruiting.


You'll note, there aren't any private schools on that list (such as Miami, USC, Notre Dame), so this data is almost assuredly collected from public information about the funds used. Given the prevalence of TAF, it is very likely LSU is spending every bit as much as other programs. It's just not being reported publicly...because it doesn't have to be.

Ask yourself what is more likely?

1. LSU, a program that has won the 2nd most National Championships of any school over the past 2 decades and has had the 3rd most NFL draft picks since 2000 is spending less money on recruiting than Georgia Tech, Rutgers, North Carolina, and Arizona? Or..

2. The amount LSU is spending recruiting is revenue that is not required to be reported publicly?
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2271 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:29 am to
quote:

I just have a hard time believing Rutgers and Georgia Tech spend more in recruiting than LSU. I feel like there has to be more context to these numbers.



I think part of it has to do with proximity of recruiting base to campus and part of it is related to meaningless internal accounting decisions.

For instance, travelling to watch a recruit's game could be considered recruiting or it could be considered a scouting expense.

Regardless, these are publicly reported numbers and have nothing to do with a "bagman".

Literally the whole point of a bag is to convey money in a way that is not reported anywhere.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:34 am to
quote:

just have a hard time believing Rutgers and Georgia Tech spend more in recruiting than LSU. I feel like there has to be more context to these numbers.


Because no one really knows what anyone is spending these lists are effectively meaningless.

From the article these were there criteria:

“Recruiting expenses cover transportation, lodging and meals for recruits, additional personnel for official and unofficial visits, phone charges and postage for pursuing recruits and the value of schools’ vehicles and planes or those used by the school for recruiting. Compensation for coaches and recruiting support staff is not included in the recruiting expenses.”
Posted by Vanilla Thunder
Member since Apr 2022
445 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:08 am to
That’s some strange spacing
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:51 am to
Well if this is true Texas should sign all the 5 stars
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12506 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:57 am to
As a few others noted, this isn't the "smoking gun" you think. One, the numbers are basically air. Who knows what is and isn't being reported, what accounting magic has been done or the purpose of why things were and weren't reported(taxes, hiding, washing etc). All encompassing each program on an individual basis. So basically just gibberish thrown out to satisfy someone's pleasures.

But though the info isn't new(was released a few months ago) or accurate it does give a little insight in the difference between where we are and what we strive to be. UGA is in the most fertile breeding ground in the US in terms of talent yet "reportedly" spends more than anyone to recruit. At the same time our numbers are generally much lower, again "reportedly", generally assumed due to our recruiting area being mostly limited to the surrounding states, southeast. Why would the biggest dog in the most fertile yard spend so much to leave the yard when all he could ever want is right in front of them? Better question is why to we continue to push the narrative that staying in our yard is the best move, when those with bigger, more fertile yards, are going outside of theirs to be the biggest, baddest dog of them all? But if we are content ruling our little yard then so be it. Don't express surprise when our yard becomes less and less productive in the overall landscape or other dogs begin to sense weakness and take ours for their own. Bigger, more privileged dogs(texas/OU) are coming to stake claims as well. But we've won 3 titles in 20 years, which is exceptionally fortunate btw. Meanwhile the 2 dogs we've been chasing have what 8-9 in that span? Always room for improvement is all I'm saying. Resting on laurels is how you get left behind.

Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:05 am to
I mean, perspective here is important. LSU is not even in the list. Considering how well we do recruiting nationally, the NFL machine we turn out, and the titles we compete for, maybe they should be hiring our guys who budget?

Looking at that list, I'm not sure it proves the point you're trying to make.
Posted by tiger786
Montgomery, TX
Member since Jun 2011
29 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:15 am to
It might be well to note that we're paying Ed O 17 Million
on his buyout. Money that could have and should have been going towards recruiting.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 11:17 am
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2271 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Because no one really knows what anyone is spending these lists are effectively meaningless.

From the article these were there criteria:

“Recruiting expenses cover transportation, lodging and meals for recruits, additional personnel for official and unofficial visits, phone charges and postage for pursuing recruits and the value of schools’ vehicles and planes or those used by the school for recruiting. Compensation for coaches and recruiting support staff is not included in the recruiting expenses.”


In addition to being generally vague, this seems to create a distinction between "personnel for official and unofficial visits" and "recruiting support staff" that seems pretty questionable and subject to wide variety of interpretations between schools.

But really the biggest indicator that this whole list is pretty useless is that all of these numbers are so small in the grand scheme of college football. If LSU felt that there was any real value in putting an extra $1MM towards a thing - ANY thing - it would just spend it.
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
59040 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

It might be well to note that we're paying Ed O 17 Million on his buyout. Money that could have and should have been going towards recruiting.


That was pocket change, who do you think payed Mulkey’s buyout. How come Woody and the Athletic Department gave money back to the University. The Athletic Department has a number of things going right now.

The bigger things right now, NC, Women’s Basketball and Mens Baseball, last night LSU was plastered all over the TV screen. Baseball Coach Jay was on start to finish. Knowing not only his players, but information on everyone else that was drafted, that was very impressive, his attention to detail. That’s only one of the attributes our AD saw in the hire.

Unless signing day is this or next week, I wouldn’t worry. Kelly can fill a roster way better than most, he walked into a cluster, an did more with less.
Posted by BHMadden
Bossier City
Member since Aug 2018
70 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:21 pm to
I’m sure you’ve realized this by now, but, this is how much the school reports spending on recruiting. Literally has nothing to do with NIL.

LSU uses private money for most recruiting travel (planes, obviously).

Also this is a pretty obsolete argument. I have my own criticisms of where we are with this recruiting class, but NIL at LSU is not one of them.
Posted by logansrun
Amite
Member since Dec 2015
1839 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:42 pm to
I recall a while back (& it may have been 20-plus years ago) I saw where Tennessee was spending $3m on recruiting compared to the Tigers $1m. But Tennessee doesn't produce talent like Louisiana does & drive 4-6 hours toward Texas & that's a hornet nest of talent right next door. & At that time we were out recruiting Tennessee despite the said $2m disparity. Just a view from the past.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
4849 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:04 pm to
Not doing too good on the top 100
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