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re: Iran memo not among 31 records underlying Trump federal charges
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:53 am to stout
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:53 am to stout
Maybe that's why the Feds included all the evidence demonstrating Trump's efforts to hide the documents they wanted back?
Not being able to locate that document and it still being missing while having a tape of Trump saying he has it actually strengthens their case, not weaken it.
Not being able to locate that document and it still being missing while having a tape of Trump saying he has it actually strengthens their case, not weaken it.
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Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:54 am to GumboPot
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Listen to the recording again. The 2 minute clip really supports the idea that the writers possessed the classified documents.
Lol
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This is evidenced by the fact that the Trump defense team is ready to go to trial
Sure they are.
Has Nauta found a Florida attorney yet that can handle this case? He hasn’t even been arraigned.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:56 am to Decatur
Rexcatur believes! 
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:00 am to Decatur
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Has Nauta found a Florida attorney yet that can handle this case?
IDK about Nauta but Trump is scheduled for August 14th.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:01 am to GumboPot
The trial isn't going on August 14th.
Trumps team can claim they want to go to trial then, but they don't.
Federal Court always gives ridiculous trial dates that never go the first time.
Trumps team can claim they want to go to trial then, but they don't.
Federal Court always gives ridiculous trial dates that never go the first time.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:01 am to stout
Two things here.
1) The recording will be used to show Trump's state of mind, i.e.,that he knew he was in possession of sensitive documents and willfully refused to return them; and
2). The reason the documents are not part of the indictment is because Trump's attorneys couldn't find them. That is bad news for Trump, because the jury will be allowed to draw whatever inference they want from the lack of documents.
1) The recording will be used to show Trump's state of mind, i.e.,that he knew he was in possession of sensitive documents and willfully refused to return them; and
2). The reason the documents are not part of the indictment is because Trump's attorneys couldn't find them. That is bad news for Trump, because the jury will be allowed to draw whatever inference they want from the lack of documents.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:10 am to stout
I have repeated this over and over..... Step back and look at all the deep state has thrown at Trump. Making up lies at the highest levels of federal government and federal law enforcement agencies to try and stop him, and all have failed.
Make fun of me if you want, but this looks like good vs evil and good keeps winning. Imagine the entire weight of the most powerful institutions ruling this country have tried to crush Trump under their weight and power, yet he remains standing. The fact he remains is quite unbelievable. What are the odds anyone could remain standing after even one clash with the federal big state much less several??????
TDS sufferers, open your eyes and step back. If Trump is so awful and corrupt why can't the mighty powers that be, the highly advanced and well trained federal police still can't make anything stick?
Is Trump smart enough to get away with it or is it something else? To overcome the multipole targeting by the big state, even if innocent, seems a longshot.
Make fun of me if you want, but this looks like good vs evil and good keeps winning. Imagine the entire weight of the most powerful institutions ruling this country have tried to crush Trump under their weight and power, yet he remains standing. The fact he remains is quite unbelievable. What are the odds anyone could remain standing after even one clash with the federal big state much less several??????
TDS sufferers, open your eyes and step back. If Trump is so awful and corrupt why can't the mighty powers that be, the highly advanced and well trained federal police still can't make anything stick?
Is Trump smart enough to get away with it or is it something else? To overcome the multipole targeting by the big state, even if innocent, seems a longshot.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:11 am to 94LSU
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Maybe that's why the Feds included all the evidence demonstrating Trump's efforts to hide the documents they wanted back?
Not being able to locate that document and it still being missing while having a tape of Trump saying he has it actually strengthens their case, not weaken it.
this guy!Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:15 am to Dday63
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1) The recording will be used to show Trump's state of mind, i.e.,that he knew he was in possession of sensitive documents and willfully refused to return them; and
Remember on the tape Trump said, "let me see that". If he was in possession of the sensitive documents why would he say that? Isn't it plausible that when someone says "let me see that" are they not requesting for someone to hand over the object being discussed? Could the writers possessed the copy of the "sensitive documents' obtained from the New Yorker hit piece via Milley they were discussing?
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
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The trial isn't going on August 14th.
You are almost certainly right however it is the date that Judge Cannon has currently set.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:17 am to GumboPot
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IDK about Nauta but Trump is scheduled for August 14th.
They’re codefendants, at least for now. As I understand the judge sets an early trial date for everyone but that it always gets pushed back. There’s no way pretrial motions and in this case CIPA issues could be handled by August 14. I would be very surprised if Trump’s attorneys propose a quicker trial schedule than the government has.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:19 am to MikkUGA
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I'm willing to bet he didn't have any military classified. What he had was documents about the Russian collusion hoax, the Bidens, the Clintons, the doj, the fbi and Lisa Monaco just like Devin Nunes and Kash Patel said. Documents he declassified and was in the process of making public. That is why the main DC office didn't want the Miami office handling it.
I’m sure it was this and he was planning to show the full picture with hard evidence that would then implicate the DOJ as part of the coverup so it and he had to go before he could use it publicly.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:26 am to stout
He was only charged for each documents they found when they searched in 2022. The recording was from 2021. The recording shows that he knew he had national security documents that were top secret classified and was showing them off to impress people.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:32 am to GumboPot
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If he was in possession of the sensitive documents why would he say that? Isn't it plausible that when someone says "let me see that" are they not requesting for someone to hand over the object being discussed?
You can parse the recording and dream up whatever doin you want. Trump's attorneys will be able to provide their own explanations to the jury.
To me it sounds like he was shuffling through papers on his own desk and just stumbled across the classified document. "Let me see that" could mean anything; maybe Trump had handed that person a document earlier.
I've posted this elsewhere on this board, but I'm not saying Trump is guilty of anything. I'm just playing devil's advocate when people say ridiculous things such as "the tape is a nothing burger." It is a serious issue that Trump will have to defend.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:49 am to stout
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lefties and Ronbots
Authoritarians do have so much in common.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:52 am to BlackPawnMartyr
Yep, the audio was released, criminal leak, probably; to contaminate the jury and voting pool. Another lawfare psy-op……
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:57 am to mmcgrath
quote:The recording "shows" nothing of the sort. What the recording "shows" is the government's willingness to leak.
The recording shows that he knew he had national security documents that were top secret classified
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:16 am to Dday63
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Two things here.
1) The recording will be used to show Trump's state of mind, i.e.,that he knew he was in possession of sensitive documents and willfully refused to return them; and
2). The reason the documents are not part of the indictment is because Trump's attorneys couldn't find them. That is bad news for Trump, because the jury will be allowed to draw whatever inference they want from the lack of documents.
moreover,
trump explains that the doc in question is still, at that time long after he is no longer the cic, classified. and this fact destroys the prior nonsense that trump can reclassify without following process.
just by thinking or having doc moved. if he believed he could reclassify just by moving it out of secure areas then why is this referenced item still classified? oops!
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:16 am to Dday63
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Two things here. 1) The recording will be used to show Trump's state of mind, i.e.,that he knew he was in possession of sensitive documents and willfully refused to return them; and 2). The reason the documents are not part of the indictment is because Trump's attorneys couldn't find them. That is bad news for Trump, because the jury will be allowed to draw whatever inference they want from the lack of documents.
Exactly. Not only are they setting the stage that he knew he had them but that he knew that he hadn’t declassified sensitive documents which they claim he should’ve. If the jury finds that to be true than Trump is DOA with all of the counts against him.
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"Let me see that" could mean anything; maybe Trump had handed that person a document earlier.
Yes sir.
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when people say ridiculous things such as "the tape is a nothing burger." It is a serious issue that Trump will have to defend.
Yes it is. The indictment has major bombshells in it. I would encourage everyone to read through it. No one should just laugh this off. The feds are gunning to take him out permanently. They’re taking this very seriously and Trump needs to too.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
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You think they are going to stop now?
Absolutely not.
Not for Don, and not for Ron.
The subversion against any non Democrat will continue, unabated.
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