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re: Pels shopping JV, called about Jarret Allen per Jake Fisher
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:23 pm to PELsu
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:23 pm to PELsu
quote:Correct
Crap, we put Cj on them today,
Many folks say CJ is this terrible defender(which isn't true) and we just had the 6th best defense in the NBA with CJ guarding other teams point guards, but Dyson can't do a better job than CJ? Not buying that.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:26 pm to Soggymoss
It just doesn’t add up to me. You have to pay him $20 million for a better rim protector but also an inferior offensive player and you lose 3 inches plus around 40 lbs in size. JV has his faults but the production vs contract size is really what the Pels need you have to be cheap in areas to have 3 big contracts and some of the younger guys will be due new contracts too. If anything you need to be even cheaper than Jonas. I think Drew Eubanks would be a really good free agent option at an affordable cost.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:30 pm to PELsu
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PELsu
Dysons probably one of our best defenders on smaller players. Not that Booker is tiny, but Dyson stayed in front of him way better than Herb as an example. Crap, we put Cj on them today, I see no reason we would think Dyson would be a downgrade on smaller players.
Sweet. What other teams are playing 6'9 PGs even part time or are marching out line-ups with no one under 6'8?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:30 pm to LSUPilot07
I’m not a Eubanks guy, but I could easily be convinced in a backup big that can rim protect and maybe close games where other teams go smaller. I really really like Allen, but I do get queasy with his salary on our books on a guy that doesn’t provide true length and next to zero shooting. Two negative shooters in Zion and Allen really complicate the rest of the lineup.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:31 pm to brmark70816
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Sweet. What other teams are playing 6'9 PGs even part time or are marching out line-ups with no one under 6'8?
Exactly! Advantage us
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:36 pm to Solo
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Spending money at the 5 to fix a problem that should have been addressed cheaply in the draft is the issue.
This isn't the NFL.
You don't fix issues with the draft.
You draft the BPA and hope they reach their potential.
I really like Jarrett Allen, but i'd rather have Mo Wagner and Zach Collins combined for half the salary of Allen.
Release GT, send JV to Spurs for Zach Collins, send Kira to Wizards for Gallinari, use MLE on Mo Wagner.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:36 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:We have CJ/Zion/BI/Trey to provide offense. If that's not enough, we're in trouble. The only reason it may not be enough is the same reason it always has been, injuries. But if that happens, we're screwed either way, so you have to build a team with the assumption of how the roster looks when healthy.
You have to pay him $20 million for a better rim protector but also an inferior offensive player
quote:There is certainly a valid argument to this though.
If anything you need to be even cheaper than Jonas.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
Where are we at with a Nerlens Noel love? I believe he was bought out by Detroit and never signed anywhere. I hated the idea of him as a starter, but maybe as a backup to Jonas?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:40 pm to PELsu
quote:He's just a min salary 3rd who isn't in your rotation but gets minutes due to injury or someone random nights in certain matchups...that's about it at this point.
Where are we at with a Nerlens Noel love? I believe he was bought out by Detroit and never signed anywhere. I hated the idea of him as a starter, but maybe as a backup to Jonas?
He's not moving the need in any way.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:42 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:
I think Drew Eubanks would be a really good free agent option at an affordable cost.
I approve of Eubanks as an upgrade to Billy, but not as a replacement for JV.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:51 pm to PELsu
quote:
Exactly! Advantage us
It's not an advantage. It doesn't work. That why nobody does it..
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:09 pm to brmark70816
He's 6'7, why do you keep saying 6'9? Or is this just another one of your random arse trolls? 
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
I approve of Eubanks as an upgrade to Billy, but not as a replacement for JV.
Eubanks would be a great get. 14th in Blks/gm 7th in Blk % 11th in total blocks last year. I have no idea what his market is looking like.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:28 pm to Epic Cajun
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He's 6'7, why do you keep saying 6'9? Or is this just another one of your random arse trolls?
He's 6'7 barefoot and still growing. Someone posted an interview, where the person stated that Daniels is getting bigger (like Murphy last summer).
I just don't understand how teams project players forward. He's not a PG. He can never be one full time. I said the same thing about Ball, who is quicker and became a solid shooter. Is it just a coincidence his career is over so quick? That's what happens to players trying to overextend themselves trying to play positions they aren't built to play..
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:03 pm to brmark70816
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He'll get abused trying to defend small guards long term, same as Jones..
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:05 pm to brmark70816
Are you saying Lonzo’s career ending injury is because people thought he could play PG? That’s fascinating
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:17 pm to brmark70816
quote:You cannot be serious. This is ridiculous!
I said the same thing about Ball, who is quicker and became a solid shooter. Is it just a coincidence his career is over so quick? That's what happens to players trying to overextend themselves trying to play positions they aren't built to play..
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:24 pm to NOSHAU
Responding to other things in the thread
Herb is off the table unless he has a ridiculous extension demand that we don’t know about.
Willie Green isn’t taking him to an nba finals game with Brandon, just to trade him for Jarrett Allen who just got raped by Mitchell Robinson in a playoff series, even w the help of Mobley.
Herb is a key part of the rotation and culture in New Orleans. If anyone is on the chopping block, it’s potentially Dyson. And tbh, I don’t see that either.
The best and most likely way to create extra salary space this season is getting rid of Kira and Jonas/using them in a trade), not penny pinching on Herb and trading him to avoid a $15M per year extension.
Herb is off the table unless he has a ridiculous extension demand that we don’t know about.
Willie Green isn’t taking him to an nba finals game with Brandon, just to trade him for Jarrett Allen who just got raped by Mitchell Robinson in a playoff series, even w the help of Mobley.
Herb is a key part of the rotation and culture in New Orleans. If anyone is on the chopping block, it’s potentially Dyson. And tbh, I don’t see that either.
The best and most likely way to create extra salary space this season is getting rid of Kira and Jonas/using them in a trade), not penny pinching on Herb and trading him to avoid a $15M per year extension.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:44 pm to PELsu
quote:
Are you saying Lonzo’s career ending injury is because people thought he could play PG? That’s fascinating
It's related. He was improperly slotted and trained. He attempted to do things that his body was not built from him to do. He broke down as a result.
We see it all the time with these tall "PGs", that are massively injury prone and break down early in their careers. Most end up having to slide over to the wing, once they lose any explosion they had initially. Daniels will never play serious minutss at PG. It would be wise to move him over now and prepare him properly..
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:00 pm to brmark70816
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He attempted to do things that his body was not built from him to do.
SO a guy that watches and barely moves as a help defender, is afraid to get to the rim on offense, and can only shoot a set shot has a body that isn't built to be a non movement basketball player?
He's a fricking basketball player. His body is capable of playing basketball. He literally was taken off the ball, a less stressful activity as a player, and you think that made things worst for him.
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