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re: Planted summer plots today
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:44 pm to Outdoorreb
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:44 pm to Outdoorreb
Mostly YouTube.
Regen:
GrowingDeerTV
The Back 40
Whitetail Driven Solutions
General Plot advice:
Whitetail Habitat Solutions
Podcast:
Deer University
Specifically episode 059
Regen:
GrowingDeerTV
The Back 40
Whitetail Driven Solutions
General Plot advice:
Whitetail Habitat Solutions
Podcast:
Deer University
Specifically episode 059
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 4:19 pm
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:27 pm to The Levee
Big rains missed us again.
I may be cursed.
I may be cursed.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:21 pm to The Levee
Didn't wanna start a new thread. But dumb question, without tilling and all that does anyone throw seeds out? We used to back in the day but I cant remember what it was. Just got on a new lease and I dont think ill have time to plant anything so im just gonna load it with corn and try throwing seeds out like back in the day, although it never worked as good as planting, but then again back then the location wasn't great.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:31 pm to BorrisMart
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But dumb question, without tilling and all that does anyone throw seeds out?
I have had decent results on 1/4ac or so by bush hogging making sure there is no large clumps left, spreading (elbon rye, wheat, oats, clover) at high rate and then dragging a homemade drag across it.
The plot had been disced the year before and had good ph. I have been trying to convince the guys in the club to try no till since we are not planting any large seeds (corn/peas)
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:38 pm to BorrisMart
I've also been looking at not till options. Grant Woods and Jeff Sturgis both have some good information on improving soil composition using no till methods. If you are looking for something that is no till but a little heaver than the SAYA 507, the LMC HDNT-65 or the Greenscape 750 food plotter might be good options. They are just a heavier version of the Saya 507. They weigh in at 1850 lbs. instead of 1400 lbs. and require a 50 HP tractor. Both Sturgis and Woods utilize Buckwheat. Does anyone have experience growing buckwheat this far south? My Property is in Claiborne, Co. MS.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:56 pm to The Levee
If you are serious about doing it then get with a consultant that specializes in this field.
You mentioned “The Back 40”. He doesn’t follow the rule books and he just posted his latest soil test results. Maybe that is good with you. Now, he didn’t mention what type of soil test he got, but typical soil test aren’t what you are looking for/needing in this project.
You mentioned Ray Archuleta, maybe he has a company that can help you in this if you are serious and don’t want to waste a couple years of trial and error.
As far as podcast go, don’t believe every single thing on them. Everyone has different philosophies and different ways to get there. Some may say you never have to use a chemicals others will say maybe you will regarding what you are dealing with. Some have no idea what the native plants and soils are like in different areas.
I will say my chips aren’t on YouTube and podcasts with different views/techniques/goals. They are great and I listen to a ton of them, but not everyone can be given the best advice over a phone. The “It Depends”, is the best advice you can take unless it is dealing with your specific property year to year.
You mentioned “The Back 40”. He doesn’t follow the rule books and he just posted his latest soil test results. Maybe that is good with you. Now, he didn’t mention what type of soil test he got, but typical soil test aren’t what you are looking for/needing in this project.
You mentioned Ray Archuleta, maybe he has a company that can help you in this if you are serious and don’t want to waste a couple years of trial and error.
As far as podcast go, don’t believe every single thing on them. Everyone has different philosophies and different ways to get there. Some may say you never have to use a chemicals others will say maybe you will regarding what you are dealing with. Some have no idea what the native plants and soils are like in different areas.
I will say my chips aren’t on YouTube and podcasts with different views/techniques/goals. They are great and I listen to a ton of them, but not everyone can be given the best advice over a phone. The “It Depends”, is the best advice you can take unless it is dealing with your specific property year to year.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:10 pm to Bayou Ken
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Both Sturgis and Woods utilize Buckwheat. Does anyone have experience growing buckwheat this far south? My Property is in Claiborne, Co. MS.
The point is “why” are they using buckwheat. What does buckwheat do? Maybe you already know what it does for soil and other plants, but it can get out of hand rather quickly. It could be that you plant it 1-2 years then skip a year or 2, if it makes seeds.
It will be fine. It grows from zone 3 to zone 10. North Dakota is 2 and Miami, Florida is 10
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:23 pm to Outdoorreb
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I will say my chips aren’t on YouTube and podcasts with different views/techniques/goals. They are great and I listen to a ton of them, but not everyone can be given the best advice over a phone. The “It Depends”, is the best advice you can take unless it is dealing with your specific property year to year.
I’ve taken what I wanted to try from all of those sources and ran it by the wildlife biologist mentioned earlier in this thread. He was all about it.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:26 pm to Outdoorreb
In 20 years of reading about folks using buckwheat, I haven’t heard of it getting out of hand. It gets invasive?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:30 pm to Bayou Ken
We planted buckwheat for the first time this year. Planted primarily because of fast germination/growth potential relative to vetch. It is supposed to provide good organic matter in a no-till system.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:43 pm to The Levee
I’m not saying it isn’t good for the wildlife. What I am saying is, that it might not be the right way to improve your soil the way you think it does. It isn’t only about Nitrogen-fixation from legumes. C:N ratios matters a lot, along with other things.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:47 pm to Semper Gumby
Yes, Buckwheat is beneficial to building better soil. Both Jeff Sturgis and Grant Woods plant their fall plots directly into standing Buckwheat. Sturgis sprays directly after planting and uses a cultipacker to lay down the buckwheat. Woods uses a crimper after planting to terminate the buckwheat. The buckwheat has chemical properties that suppress weed growth. In addition, the mat of decaying buckwheat stalks also suppresses the growth of weeds. I've been looking at using this method but old habits are hard to break.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:53 pm to The Levee
quote:I got 10 minutes of rain at my place today. It had been almost 6 weeks without a drop
Big rains missed us again. I may be cursed.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:04 pm to turkish
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Buckwheat can be used to clean the land of weeds. During the growing season, the fast-growing buckwheat smothers weeds, and the buckwheat residues (decomposing roots) suppress weed seed germination.
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Buckwheat grown for seed, unless carefully managed ,may result in a problem with volunteer growth of buckwheat in the following crop.
LINK
I could see “how” it can be a problem. Easy fix is mowing it when flowering. The problem is that you can get 2 crops of it in a year and if they both go to seed and germinate the next year…. Imagine the seed per acre of buckwheat you would have blanketing the field if planted and let go to seed 2 years in a row.
You might want that or you might want a different crop to grow that can’t grow as fast as the buckwheat and it gets choked out.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:15 pm to Outdoorreb
Thanks. I’ll burn that bridge when I get there. ;)
Are you in SW MS?
Are you in SW MS?
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:22 pm to turkish
MS delta
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:28 pm to cgrand
That’s ten more minutes than we have had in the same 6 weeks
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:34 pm to The Levee
We got a little rain again today happy for it. Wish med for a little more but will take what we can get!
Hopefully we can all catch some rain in the area here and there going forward
Hopefully we can all catch some rain in the area here and there going forward
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:42 am to Ol boy
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I have had decent results on 1/4ac or so by bush hogging making sure there is no large clumps left, spreading (elbon rye, wheat, oats, clover) at high rate and then dragging a homemade drag across it.
The plot had been disced the year before and had good ph. I have been trying to convince the guys in the club to try no till since we are not planting any large seeds (corn/peas)
Thanks brotha, I appreciate the input. Im not sure when I'll be able to get out there to start prepping but it should be soon. I'll get something out there, we've had a lot of rain the last few days so hopefully I dont miss the mark to get something growing.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:02 am to BorrisMart
West Central Alabama with a mix of soils including red clay. We went all in on the Grant Woods methods. It has been fantastic for us. We are 3 years in haven’t spayed, disc, or fertilized in 3 years.
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