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re: Planted summer plots today
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:48 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:48 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Ok. Yep. This is what I thought. That’s why I was puzzled by the comment that using the crimper instead of herbicide prevents the need for fertilizer.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:52 am to turkish
Going from the tillering stage to flowering, the carbon-to-nitrogen ratio might change from 18:1, where it is going to mineralize nitrogen as it decomposes, to 50:1, where it is going to immobilize a lot of nitrogen as it decomposes. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. A lot of nitrogen that could have leached out of the soil is being retained and will be released to the crop as the season progresses. It does mean that nitrogen needs to be managed differently, though
Cover Crop strategies
Or are you talking about crimping vs mowing or spraying?
Edit: I thought you were asking about timing.
Another benefit is that you can mount a crimper on the front of your tractor to crimp and plant in one pass.
When you spray to terminate crops they may stay standing for a long time before they even fall. Especially grasses that we use a lot in fall mixes. You could kill it then mow it after it does, but then you will have windrows through the field and now you have made a total of at least 3 passes across the field. (Spray, mow, plant)
Just mowing it may not kill it and the mowed crop could out compete the planted crop.
A crimper won’t kill everything in the field either. If you do it when grasses are too young they will stand back up.
Cover Crop strategies
Or are you talking about crimping vs mowing or spraying?
Edit: I thought you were asking about timing.
Another benefit is that you can mount a crimper on the front of your tractor to crimp and plant in one pass.
When you spray to terminate crops they may stay standing for a long time before they even fall. Especially grasses that we use a lot in fall mixes. You could kill it then mow it after it does, but then you will have windrows through the field and now you have made a total of at least 3 passes across the field. (Spray, mow, plant)
Just mowing it may not kill it and the mowed crop could out compete the planted crop.
A crimper won’t kill everything in the field either. If you do it when grasses are too young they will stand back up.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:24 am to Outdoorreb
This may help on why I want to do this program.
1) 200 acres to plant. If I can get down to only 2 passes a year with the the tractor I will save money on time, fuel, chemical and fertilizer and maintenance on equipment.
2) I believe it will be beneficial for all wildlife from deer all the way to the few quail that are still running around on this property.
3) I believe in a couple years there will I will be able to sell carbon credits on these 200 acres because it will basically be a year round growing cover crop.
1) 200 acres to plant. If I can get down to only 2 passes a year with the the tractor I will save money on time, fuel, chemical and fertilizer and maintenance on equipment.
2) I believe it will be beneficial for all wildlife from deer all the way to the few quail that are still running around on this property.
3) I believe in a couple years there will I will be able to sell carbon credits on these 200 acres because it will basically be a year round growing cover crop.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:24 am to turkish
As I said I am an idiot. I can just tell you from personal experience we do not fertilize anymore. Our soil Ph has gotten right, and we are now having the red clay turn to the black soil. When we sprayed and drilled we had to fertilize. Now that we crimp and follow the plan that was laid out we dont and have seen serious changes in the deer.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:37 am to Recovered
Not arguing one way or the other, but I would think you’re seeing the results of just sticking with no-till in general over a long enough timeline. It takes a long time to amend red clay, but if you aren’t continually turning it over and trying to fix an entire tiller or disc depth’s worth of shitty dirt, eventually you get out in front of it. Definitely encouraging that you were able to accomplish it either way.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:43 am to TheDrunkenTigah
I only have ten acres of food plot area as of now. After logging it could triple. Do you guys think it’s worth it to crimp or spray?
And I personally think that putting a crimper on the front end and drill on the back would be very difficult to navigate smaller plots
And I personally think that putting a crimper on the front end and drill on the back would be very difficult to navigate smaller plots
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:47 am to The Levee
If you are gonna stick with it over the long haul and buy the right crimper for your use, it will pay off. That’s true no matter what you believe about glyphosate’s soil activity. Herbicide isn’t gonna get cheaper.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:50 am to TheDrunkenTigah
You know what I like about the Genesis Drills? They come with the presets for calibrating for GreenCover. I suck at math and that’s worth my time
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:26 pm to The Levee
Genesis vs Great Plains YouTube
A little video comparing both drills. They have both and they talk about issues and how they compare. Pretty non-biased opinion to me
A little video comparing both drills. They have both and they talk about issues and how they compare. Pretty non-biased opinion to me
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:04 pm to Outdoorreb
I watched that yesterday. Really good video!
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:14 pm to turkish
I’m not sure the method of termination has an impact on what deteriorates into soil (though chemical sprays cost and do change pH I believe). I want to try a crimper to break the stems on my cereal rye so it won’t stand back up - I want it to lay flat and smother weeds.
I’ve done 2 fall/winter crops and neither was crimped, neither suppressed weeds good enough in the subsequent spring/summer. But, there were other factors - like neighbor’s cows that thinned out my crop.
I’m not saying what I’m doing is the only way or the best way, but I am seeing changes I like in my soil and in the deer herd, I believe. Time will tell. But I rent a Truax drill, I have bought local and Green Cover Seeds and prefer the latter, and I’ve sprayed herbicide twice (hired it sprayed). Lots of variables, it might take a long time to figure it all out.
I’m having a hard time justifying buying A $12k implement to use 2 days a year. But, I might get there. For now I’ll rent and borrow if I can. But I sure do want to try a crimper.
I’ve done 2 fall/winter crops and neither was crimped, neither suppressed weeds good enough in the subsequent spring/summer. But, there were other factors - like neighbor’s cows that thinned out my crop.
I’m not saying what I’m doing is the only way or the best way, but I am seeing changes I like in my soil and in the deer herd, I believe. Time will tell. But I rent a Truax drill, I have bought local and Green Cover Seeds and prefer the latter, and I’ve sprayed herbicide twice (hired it sprayed). Lots of variables, it might take a long time to figure it all out.
I’m having a hard time justifying buying A $12k implement to use 2 days a year. But, I might get there. For now I’ll rent and borrow if I can. But I sure do want to try a crimper.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:29 pm to 76Forest
And, I’ll add this: it’s tons of fun learning how I can grow these plots of deer food, improve soil, improve deer, and find some like-minded guys to trade experiences with. Been fun finding out I’m not the only one! Thanks!
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:50 pm to 76Forest
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I’m having a hard time justifying buying A $12k implement to use 2 days a year. But, I might get there. For now I’ll rent and borrow if I can. But I sure do want to try a crimper.
I’d rent one if I could find one to rent
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:53 pm to 76Forest
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And, I’ll add this: it’s tons of fun learning how I can grow these plots of deer food, improve soil, improve deer, and find some like-minded guys to trade experiences with. Been fun finding out I’m not the only one! Thanks!
I’m no farmer and don’t ever want to be….I just enjoy projects and seeing positive results…..and killing big bucks. Our property has 240lb bucks with thin, pu$$y racks.
And honestly, I’m tired of the corn and protein. It’s not economical, natural, or fun (to me).
I remember before feeding was allowed….there were more deer and bigger racks.
I have them on the wall to prove it
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:57 pm to 76Forest
You can get a 8’ Goliath for half that cost. Patriot makes some in the 3500 to 5k range for plot use.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 2:04 pm to Recovered
Just another thought on the herbicide/fertilizer debate. Have any of you tried to grow a plant in cow manure that the animals grazed on fields sprayed?
Posted on 6/8/23 at 3:19 pm to Recovered
I haven’t. I wouldn’t even know where to buy it, but there isn’t many feedlots around MS Delta. You did just give me a thought though.
Companies that get the grease from restaurants have to cook that grease to get the water out of it. I was told it was extremely fertile and the government demands that they get rid of it.
If there is a local grease company around you, you might can call them and work out a deal for them to spray it on your land and get paid for it. There are regulations that would have to be met first. If you have pasture land/haying operation it might work great for you.
I will say that I don’t know a bunch about this crap. I just know they are required to get rid of it and usually have to “lease” the land where they spray it. It might be that you can’t graze it for a couple days or it might not be. You made me think of a conversation I had with an owner a few years back because he was complaining about having to pay people to get rid of “fertilizer” when people should be paying him for it, and he was even having to pay someone to bush hog it down. I could see how a deal could be made with a “win win” outcome.
Companies that get the grease from restaurants have to cook that grease to get the water out of it. I was told it was extremely fertile and the government demands that they get rid of it.
If there is a local grease company around you, you might can call them and work out a deal for them to spray it on your land and get paid for it. There are regulations that would have to be met first. If you have pasture land/haying operation it might work great for you.
I will say that I don’t know a bunch about this crap. I just know they are required to get rid of it and usually have to “lease” the land where they spray it. It might be that you can’t graze it for a couple days or it might not be. You made me think of a conversation I had with an owner a few years back because he was complaining about having to pay people to get rid of “fertilizer” when people should be paying him for it, and he was even having to pay someone to bush hog it down. I could see how a deal could be made with a “win win” outcome.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 3:49 pm to The Levee
I’m no farmer either, would hate to have to make a living that way, I’d be pretty skinny.
On feeding corn and protein, we and several neighbors were feeding protein before our big drought in 2011 it think it was. We had a big die off from that drought, deer population crashed. Took a long time to recover and when the deer population had recovered most folks had lost interest in protein
Fast forward to 2 years ago, my first Fall Release planting, deer walked into the plots with their noses on the ground, when they looked up peas were hanging out of their mouths. They hardy glanced at corn, corn feeders became crow feeders.
One more benefit to the project. I don’t buy corn or protein now.
On feeding corn and protein, we and several neighbors were feeding protein before our big drought in 2011 it think it was. We had a big die off from that drought, deer population crashed. Took a long time to recover and when the deer population had recovered most folks had lost interest in protein
Fast forward to 2 years ago, my first Fall Release planting, deer walked into the plots with their noses on the ground, when they looked up peas were hanging out of their mouths. They hardy glanced at corn, corn feeders became crow feeders.
One more benefit to the project. I don’t buy corn or protein now.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:25 pm to 76Forest
Thank you all for the replies this is all very interesting to me. You have me thinking a crimper maybe isn’t as much a gimmick as I first believed.
However if a crimper works and saves so much money why don’t farmers whose whole liveleyhood depends on input cost participate in the same practices? Seems like they would be moving in this direction if it works that well wouldn’t they?
The ability to turn poor soil to black soil is VERY interesting to me. I’m spraying and flattening with a Great Plains NT drill and getting a similar result but not using the same principles to guide me. Going to see how this does and perhaps change as I research more and see how the current system progresses.
However if a crimper works and saves so much money why don’t farmers whose whole liveleyhood depends on input cost participate in the same practices? Seems like they would be moving in this direction if it works that well wouldn’t they?
The ability to turn poor soil to black soil is VERY interesting to me. I’m spraying and flattening with a Great Plains NT drill and getting a similar result but not using the same principles to guide me. Going to see how this does and perhaps change as I research more and see how the current system progresses.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:53 pm to 76Forest
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One more benefit to the project. I don’t buy corn or protein now.
This is a crucial benefit iyam
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