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re: Smoking Ribs on a BGE - Help Needed

Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:32 am to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:32 am to
Never meat side down.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:08 pm to
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Pull off the bone is over done.



Fall off the bone is over done.

When the meat pulls clean off the bone with a little tug that's about right and that's the texture of the better ribs I've eaten in BBQ joints (Truth, Roegels, Corkscrew, Terry Blacks).
Posted by AlwysATgr
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:12 pm to
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If you are comparing to a wood fire, you simply won’t get the same smoke flavor on a ceramic, or anything else for that matter.


Partially agree. I don't think I'll ever get 'there' from a ceramic smoker. That said, I can generally get good smoke flavor. All about balancing air flow with temp with wood qty to get clean burning smoke.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:21 pm to
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Do you use a deflector shield or whatever they're called for BGEs? If so, you want meat side up. Really just always want meat side up no matter what


Yes, I use a plate setter and also place a couple of catch pans on top of it to further deflect the smoke.

Regarding whether meat side up or down . . . it may not matter that much. With that said, the principle is to orient the fat cap on a shoulder or brisket to the warmer side of the heat profile. Hence, in an offset the warmer side is to the top. So, meat side down-fat cap up. But in a BGE where the fire box is directly under the meat, it's the opposite, i.e,. meat side up-fat cap down.



Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:28 pm to
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besides picking a good rub, try adding more.


I smoked a couple of racks today. Compared to the disappointment described in the OP, these came out very good.

What I did differently:
- Left the membrane on
- Increased the amount of rub (used Salt Lick Garlic on the bottom and S&P on the top. Much more S&P than before).
- Did not wrap.
- Cooked mostly meat side down; probably about 70:30.
- Glazed with Terry Black's house sauce mixed with local honey about 30 minutes before removing them.

Not quite there yet but pleased with the improvement.
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:47 pm to
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Do you use a deflector shield or whatever they're called for BGEs?



Plate Setter
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
586 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:55 pm to
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the principle is to orient the fat cap on a shoulder or brisket to the warmer side of the heat profile.


Ribs don't behave like this. Think of the bones as the fat cap. Meat side up lets the rub cook down through the meat. Another trick is to season the ribs and let them sit at room temp until rub liquifies on the surface of the rib.

Been smoking ribs on my BGE since 2015 and have never had a complaint about flavor and my wife can bitch about anything.
Posted by WestBay
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:48 am to
I've done turbo ribs twice on the egg now and I think I prefer it to the low and slow ribs Ive done in the past.
Posted by BIG Texan
Texas
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 9:53 am to
Don’t ever need a wrap with a BGE , skip the .foil w any thing in it. Ribs might be done in 3 to 4 hours,need to check them. Mist with ACV when or if they look dry.
250 to 275 is a good temp for spare ribs. Place setter is a must along with water pan on top. I get them done then paint with salt lick original sauce for glaze.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16660 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:02 am to
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Think of the bones as the fat cap


No numbers in hand but I would think the bones have a higher thermal conductivity than the meat/fat. They are not analogous to the fat cap on a shoulder/brisket.

Happy wife, happy life so don't change what you're doing.
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14544 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:26 pm to
I don’t understand just S&P on your ribs. Get a Memphis-style rub (or make one) that is dark red with chili powder and paprika. And why no brown sugar? It caramelizes for a nice crust. I coat ribs heavily with a good rub and never once thought it was too much after it was cooked.

Otherwise, maybe add more wood for smoke flavor?

Also - I baste every hour or so with some apple cider vinegar and a little more rub mixed in. Skip the sauce glaze toward the end. Sauce is for dipping.
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16661 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:45 pm to
Rib Bend Test - Amazing Ribs

Use the "Bend test" to check doneness.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 1:00 pm to
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I don’t understand just S&P on your ribs. Get a Memphis-style rub (or make one) that is dark red with chili powder and paprika. And why no brown sugar? It caramelizes for a nice crust. I coat ribs heavily with a good rub and never once thought it was too much after it was cooked.

Otherwise, maybe add more wood for smoke flavor?

Also - I baste every hour or so with some apple cider vinegar and a little more rub mixed in. Skip the sauce glaze toward the end. Sauce is for dipping.


Peg Leg only puts salt on his. Bastes once an hour with apple vinegar/juice mixture. When done, liberally seasons it with the memphis style "rub". He also only used regular charcoal and hickory chunks. I've done them his way twice and the flavor was awesome on both, but my first try left them a little tough (no wrap). The second try, I deviated from Peg Leg's cook time and gave them an extra hour, with an hour of wrap in hour 3 (4 hour cook) and they were about perfect.

That's a long way of saying the memphis style "rubs" aren't really rubs, they are a finishing seasoning. At least that's what they are traditionally.
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14544 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 3:45 pm to
Have never heard of that but the point stands. Whether you put the rub on before or after, you’re adding flavor.

If the OP’s problem is lack of flavor and he’s only using S&P, there seems to be an obvious solution…
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16660 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:24 pm to
Truth.BBQ

Ribs like those are my target.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
9838 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 5:40 pm to
First I ever hear of someone smoking ribs meat side down. And Bad Byronz sucks IMO. That would explain your dislike of the flavor profile.

Truth's ribs are amazing. I don't know his rub recipe but I doubt it's very far from S/P/G. I did detect the slightest bit of sweet but it was very light. Almost like it was in his spritz. I'd experiment with that. Put a little agave nectar in some ACV and taste it and see.

Their ribs from 3 weeks ago:
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
8083 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:16 am to
I'm no rib expert, but everyone I've fed mine to has always comeback for seconds.

-baby back ribs, pull membrane and any extra fat

-Rub- whatever you like, I switch around to whatever caught my eye

-Rib rack is key, stand them up on the BGE w/ platesetter

-start at 200-225 for 3 hrs, then I bump to 250

-Bendiness check at 4:30-5 hrs

-Baste and 300 for 30 min (I've been stuck on Williamson Bros)

-I also spray 50/50 mix of apple juice & apple cider vinegar every 30-45 minutes during the cook, before basting

I think the spray mix and the bendiness check are key. Rub and sauce are variables to whatever taste you like.


Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Member since May 2021
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Posted on 8/17/23 at 3:45 pm to
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Fall off the bone is over done.

This is a literal cooking fact but some people fetishize this.
quote:

When the meat pulls clean off the bone with a little tug that's about right

This is also a fact. Rib shouldn't be hard to chew but it shouldn't just immediately come off the bone with little to no effort.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Posted on 8/17/23 at 3:46 pm to
Seasoning any meat pre-smoking and letting the spices pull some moisture out over time will help with the smoking process, in particular with adding more bark.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/17/23 at 5:56 pm to
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I don’t understand just S&P on your ribs. Get a Memphis-style rub (or make one) that is dark red with chili powder and paprika. And why no brown sugar? It caramelizes for a nice crust. I coat ribs heavily with a good rub and never once thought it was too much after it was cooked.


I said this on page one and got downvoted.
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