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re: Who actually likes “travel ball”
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:24 pm to SteveLSU35
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:24 pm to SteveLSU35
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100% not clueless. I've coached for years. There is no need for kids who aren't in high school to spend that much time on one sport. They will not fall behind b/c other 3rd graders are playing ridiculous amounts of games. Kids will grow at different rates, and I've seen so many kids choose to stop playing towards the end of middle school and into high school. They either are burned out, or want to concentrate on other sports.
How about spending the summer swimming or playing tennis to give the arm a break while also strengthening it?
Just stop. This guy is teaching kids launch angles at 10 years old. He is right and everyone else is wrong. Don't even waste your time.
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:26 pm to SteveLSU35
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100% not clueless. I've coached for years. There is no need for kids who aren't in high school to spend that much time on one sport. They will not fall behind b/c other 3rd graders are playing ridiculous amounts of games. Kids will grow at different rates, and I've seen so many kids choose to stop playing towards the end of middle school and into high school. They either are burned out, or want to concentrate on other sports.
Nobody said don’t play other sports but you are clueless to the level the kids are playing at. You are I promise
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How about spending the summer swimming or playing tennis to give the arm a break while also strengthening it?
Swimming doesn’t strengthen the arm and it’s more internal rotation, tennis is more rotation just like baseball. Same as if you were playing.
Again clueless
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:27 pm to Tiger Ike
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Can families just choose to go to Westlake or s beau if they are zoned to barbe? Would they have to move
I think you can’t play varsity freshman year
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I know families who are strongly considering Westlake who don't want to get involved in Sulphur football politics.
Dude it’s bad over there with the politics. Crazy to me especially with talent there
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:29 pm to FlyTheW08
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Just stop. This guy is teaching kids launch angles at 10 years old. He is right and everyone else is wrong. Don't even waste your time.
Yet all the ones that are involved agree with me
I don’t have time today but if you wanna talk training…we absolutely can
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:34 pm to Tiger Ike
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I know families* who are strongly considering Westlake who don't want to get involved in Sulphur football politics.
might need an asterisk
*whose kid might not be a sure bet to play in 5A football
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:39 pm to lsu777
Man this thread has been quite a roller coaster for me. I have a 5 year old that played tee ball this year and he is way more advanced than the other kids, but its definitely due to us playing everyday catching grounders, learning to actually catch and hit off of a tee. Hell hes already hitting balls I soft toss to him with really good contact. Damn near every kid on the team cant do much of any of it but you can also tell that they dont have anyone working with them at home. I plan on finding him somewhere in Baton Rouge to play next year and it seems like I may have to head over to Traction. Im also dropping him in flag football and basketball this year because he wants to play all sports so I guess im just gonna let him be a kid and find what he likes the most.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:50 pm to lsu777
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Yet all the ones that are involved agree with me
I think parents in the circuit and coaches/trainers in the circuit will of course agree. I don't think anyone argues that tournament ball truly has elevated the game across the board going into the Freshman year of HS. I think elite national teams 100% get recruited earlier than rec guys who won't be seen without showcases and having elite numbers or chance once they break into HS. I also think overtraining is a real thing and have seen it in competition sports across the board. I have also seen National kids heavily recruited get passed by rec kids when they are SO and Jr just due to puberty and maturity, coupled of course with training and development. I also completely get those who are frustrated that money and pandora's box has neutered rec league in most places. Tournament ball can be both negative and positive, and one's viewpoint can definitely shape how you see it. I personally wish we would go back to elite talent having tournament teams, and the rest developing in rec where kids can still engage but not burnout. Unfortunately those days are either coming to a close or already gone.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:52 pm to chalmetteowl
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whose kid might not be a sure bet to play in 5A football
No bruh. Families who have invested their whole lives into their children's sports and don't want their high school careers wasted.
We're talking legit athletes.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:58 pm to AwesomeSauce
There's going to be a lot of disappointed parents whose genetic makeup is 5ft8 and are great 10-12 year old players.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:12 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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The puberty part is 1000% right. I’ll disagree with the velocity part because I think it can be trained now. That’s why you have so many arm injuries, because you have a lot of bodies who aren’t really equipped yet to handle throwing that hard but are physically capable of it because it can be taught Soapbox: pitching at the amateur level is so bad right now because all we are doing is focusing on how hard we throw and pitchability has been put in the back seat. Everyone sees lsu bullpen issues but it’s problematic at all college levels right now. Go look how many juco programs there are right now with winning records and staff ERA’s in the 8s. It’s unreal. Okay thread derailment over
100% correct, TJ is up despite pitch counts and the focus on velocity has been to the detriment of developing “pitchers”. Everything goes in cycles and this will soon change.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:43 pm to AwesomeSauce
You make a couple of great points here. Having been involved in this for around 7 years now you can definitely see the benefits AND the negatives. Unrealistic parents are typically issue #1. Little Johnny/Jill is going to make varsity as a freshman or go on to play at LSU because they are playing AA ball as a 10 year old and so on. There are definitely some travel coaches/organizations that prey on uneducated parents setting unrealistic expectations.
Over training can also be a real thing. I have to be careful with my daughter to make sure at the end of each season she is taking a few weeks off to let her body recover. During seasons workouts are tailored towards maintenance and not gains. Diminishing returns.
Over training can also be a real thing. I have to be careful with my daughter to make sure at the end of each season she is taking a few weeks off to let her body recover. During seasons workouts are tailored towards maintenance and not gains. Diminishing returns.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:47 pm to lsudocts
Hyper-specialization. People are no longer generalists and opportunities are reserved for the best specialists and the barrier to entry gets higher and higher.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:53 pm to dukeg7213
Baseball is all about hard work, making adjustments and adapting at every level. Talent, athleticism, competitiveness, work ethic, and lntelligence are all ingredients to be successful long term. There is no blue print for a HS, college level player. Just play as much ball as possible and develop these attributes along the way.
Travel ball equals more games played and more practice. That is why you see those players having an advantage. It’s not a blue print it’s just what most of the higher levels players are doing and everyone has to keep up with each other.
Travel ball equals more games played and more practice. That is why you see those players having an advantage. It’s not a blue print it’s just what most of the higher levels players are doing and everyone has to keep up with each other.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:17 pm to Billy Blanks
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The other strange item to me- they often claim it's to get noticed by colleges. If they saved the 15-25k a a year they spend on baseball...their kid could go to any college they wanted at 18.
This is 100% true for any kid involved in high level sports. The baseball player, tennis player, gymnast, volleyball player, etc. all have parents who dish out a lot of money and have throughout their childhood to get them great coaching. There is a tiny handful of kids (way less than 10%) that has so much talent that they would get noticed anyway. The rest need training and coaching and it makes a difference.
It's not $15-25k per year. At least for us as gymnast/then diver parents, it was more like $8k per year and some of that could be fundraised. Quite often, I heard a speech from coaches/program owners who tell parents, "There are no guarantees. Only a small % of these kids will end up as college athletes. If that is the reason you are doing this, just save your money and you'll have enough to send them to college." This was when they were 7-8 year olds. Out of those 25 or so, 3 kids went to college and 2 of the gymnasts became college divers instead of gymnasts. By the time they are 15-16, many of them who are still doing it get scholarships of some kind.
You do it because your kid loves it. They love the work just as much as the fun. You do it because they learn so many life lessons. If they are able to make great grades while spending so much time practicing, etc., they are great time managers. You do it because they learn delayed gratification and how to put in lots of work day after day to finally get that skill or hit that homer.
My daughter (no pics) learned so much from these experiences. These kids grow up to be the leaders in their chosen fields. In general, the stories of the athlete who is always in trouble and flunking are not true. They are quite often your best kids on a college campus. That's why you spend the money. The lessons they learn are priceless.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:26 pm to lsu777
quote:I’ve read the entire thread and agree with a lot of what you say, but I disagree with the quote above in regards to pitching. Hitting and fielding sure you maybe right, but if a kid decides to be a PO at 13 and works his arse off he can easily be a varsity arm in a couple years. I played travel ball myself growing up and plan on letting my son do it if he enjoys baseball. not playing travel ball isn’t necessarily the end all be all but it damn sure helps.
and the problem is by 10 if you havent pursued higher level travel ball you get so far behind you can never catch up from a skill development side
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:30 pm to lsudocts
I will throw in my little anecdote.
My BIL's son is in these travel ball tournaments just about every weekend. I was going to take his son fishing this past weekend because he was baseball free finally. Everything gets put to a stop because some OTHER travel ball team had a kid sick and needed a fill in. BIL signed his kid up without even asking him. Fishing trip canceled. I am still furious. Kid didn't even want to play.
My BIL's son is in these travel ball tournaments just about every weekend. I was going to take his son fishing this past weekend because he was baseball free finally. Everything gets put to a stop because some OTHER travel ball team had a kid sick and needed a fill in. BIL signed his kid up without even asking him. Fishing trip canceled. I am still furious. Kid didn't even want to play.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:37 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
No I agree with you hear. Pitchers can. But it’s very hard to catch up even just being a po.
Let Say you throw 50 at 9(average is like 44) and you don’t train but hit the aging curve velo gain of 3.5 mph per year. Gives you 5 years at 3.5 per year. That gets you to 67 at 14 going to high school. Can you catch up from that…sure but not easy but it certainly can be done.
Let Say you throw 50 at 9(average is like 44) and you don’t train but hit the aging curve velo gain of 3.5 mph per year. Gives you 5 years at 3.5 per year. That gets you to 67 at 14 going to high school. Can you catch up from that…sure but not easy but it certainly can be done.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:37 pm to Bronson2017
What a world, where you give up all of you and your kid's free time so they can "hopefully" play HS baseball in a shite town like Lake Charles.
I'd rather work than go to a travel ball tournament.
I'd rather work than go to a travel ball tournament.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:39 pm to Bronson2017
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My BIL's son is in these travel ball tournaments just about every weekend. I was going to take his son fishing this past weekend because he was baseball free finally. Everything gets put to a stop because some OTHER travel ball team had a kid sick and needed a fill in. BIL signed his kid up without even asking him. Fishing trip canceled. I am still furious. Kid didn't even want to play.
Your BIL is a jackass. You don’t get better by playing tons of games, you get it through training. Games are just realization of the training.
I addressed this earlier…unless it’s a huge PG NIT, a invite only usssa not or a 2d nit that has tons of teams and you are playing aaa or majors….don’t pick up. And should still keep it to one time a year period.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:41 pm to ghost2most
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What a world, where you give up all of you and your kid's free time so they can "hopefully" play HS baseball in a shite town like Lake Charles. I'd rather work than go to a travel ball tournament.
Yea that’s why we do it
And are you under the impression it’s different at stm, TC, ed white, VC, ND?? Cause it’s not
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