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re: When Did America’s Decline Begin?

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Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:07 pm to
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I don't think there is one answer to this question. You can say in the early 60s when the media became more present in everyone's lives. JFK pretty much was elected president because the women thought he was attractive. When him and Nixon had the first ever presidential candidate debate on TV, evidently Nixon won the debate, but came off as the old man while Kennedy appealed to females and younger people. That's when people started voting for people for other reasons than whether or not they were the best candidate. Then the media showing everything going on in Vietnam divided the country. There was WWII, the 50s is known to be the era that was truly America.. Early 60s people were exposed to more information, all kind of shite happened. You can say that when we went to Vietnam. Vietnam played a huge factor in the drug problems in this country. Sending 18 year old kids over to Vietnam seeing shite that no one can get over seeing and the only way they were able to deal with it was to self medicate. You can say maybe the crack epidemic hurt this country a lot. One can say that overall, the terrorist won on 9/11 when you look at how it impacted the future of this country. It gave an administration an excuse to get involved in other shite in the middle east we shouldn't have been involved in. The opioid crisis had a really negative impact in this country, but did it cause it to decline? There are a lot of things you can argue that caused a decline in this country, but personally, I think it started in the 60s when jobs were being moved overseas. The best example of this is in L.A., California. There were a lot of middle class black families. There were good manufacturing jobs. Compton was a nice area. Black people were able to afford homes there, then shite closed down, and sent overseas. All of a sudden there are no more jobs, those families went from middle class to lower class, white folk moved out (it was hurting their property value so they had to protect their investment before the value went lower) so more poverty stricken blacks moved in. What happens when poor people don't have access to good jobs? Some people find other ways to make money. Neighborhood gangs that were just dumb teenagers fighting each other started becoming the lines in drug wars. Or loot at Pittsburg for example. Known as the steel city. It was a blue collar city, hard working folk providing for their family and when it dried up, people who could moved away seeking new opportunity, those who couldn't stayed and lived in poverty. Poverty stricken areas become lower value areas where people looking for cheap places to live because they are poor move in and it becomes a collection of poor uneducated families. This opens up the debate as to whether globalism is a good thing or not. Its good for corporations, its not good for the overall structure of the country and when I say overall structure, I am talking about each city, every town that are all part of the structure of the country. Not to mention, companies make products that are not as good as they used to be and sell them for more while driving out the small town businesses and that also played a part in hurting "community" which impacted the country socially. And our government has become an absolute joke who are controlled by these corporations who are making products cheaper and selling them for more. They are making so much money, they are paying the politicians to approve laws that favor them. Then I think the change in the education system has put a toll on this country. I see these videos with students spraying mace on teachers because the teacher took away their phone. People mention that its because of a certain race who do all these things, I went to public school that was pretty much 50/50 white and black. Not every teacher, but we had teachers who didn't frick around and made sure the students knew they were the teacher and we were the students. It was their classroom and if a teacher told someone more than once to put something away, they will take it. There were teachers who would take shite away and not give it back. In HS they would take away pagers, portable CD players, etc and if it got taken away you tried to hide it from your parents. They stopped whoopin kids when I was in middle school, but in elementary school, the vice principle walked around with a purple paddle he called Purple Rain. He was this old black man.. Mr Jack and no one wanted to get sent to Mr. Jack. If you did and he paddled you, he would leave the door open so people can hear throughout the school and if the kid was heard crying they got messed with for a few days. And if a parent complained he would tell them "well if you don't want me to whip your kid then make sure he knows how to behave". It wasn't a race think, he whooped kids, no matter their race, for the same stuff. The things kids do today, that's shite we would have never imagined doing because we were kept in check. I can remember this black dude in my class had been being bad for a few days in a row. The teacher called his daddy. His daddy came to school, each section had two classes that was divided by these dividers. You could see the other class between the dividers and one day this kid's daddy went to the other class room and watched his son. At the time he seemed to be this really tall man and he wore cowboy boots with a big belt buckle. When is son started talking when the teacher was trying to teach he walked in, when his son saw him dude looked like he saw a ghost. His daddy took his belt off and wore his arse out then told him "we are going to deal with this when you get home". I don't think that kid ever talked again unless asked something by the teacher for the rest of the year. People can say what they want, but when teachers had more control and the school backed the teachers and parents didn't think their kid could do no wrong, things flowed a little smoother.

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Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:09 pm to
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MessageSaintlyTiger88When Did America’s Decline Begin?
2007



Saban left MIA for Tuscaloosa
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34479 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:12 pm to
quote:

When Did America’s Decline Begin?


When we allowed an actor to bamboozle us into giving the rich more of our hard-earned money.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
25569 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

My question is, was the 50s an aberration? We tend to look back at is as who we are. But really, maybe it was just a honeymoon of sorts.


After reading the whole thread, I think this is the answer.

Major events will move the needle in one direction or the other depending on perspective.

Example: 9/11 was awful, but for a brief period after, our country was as united as ever.

There are ebbs and flows, and it seemed every decade had them.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38687 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:29 pm to
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I don't think there is one answer to this question. You can say in the early 60s when the media became more present in everyone's lives. JFK pretty much was elected president because the women thought he was attractive. When him and Nixon had the first ever presidential candidate debate on TV, evidently Nixon won the debate, but came off as the old man while Kennedy appealed to females and younger people. That's when people started voting for people for other reasons than whether or not they were the best candidate. Then the media showing everything going on in Vietnam divided the country. There was WWII, the 50s is known to be the era that was truly America.. Early 60s people were exposed to more information, all kind of shite happened. You can say that when we went to Vietnam. Vietnam played a huge factor in the drug problems in this country. Sending 18 year old kids over to Vietnam seeing shite that no one can get over seeing and the only way they were able to deal with it was to self medicate. You can say maybe the crack epidemic hurt this country a lot. One can say that overall, the terrorist won on 9/11 when you look at how it impacted the future of this country. It gave an administration an excuse to get involved in other shite in the middle east we shouldn't have been involved in. The opioid crisis had a really negative impact in this country, but did it cause it to decline? There are a lot of things you can argue that caused a decline in this country, but personally, I think it started in the 60s when jobs were being moved overseas. The best example of this is in L.A., California. There were a lot of middle class black families. There were good manufacturing jobs. Compton was a nice area. Black people were able to afford homes there, then shite closed down, and sent overseas. All of a sudden there are no more jobs, those families went from middle class to lower class, white folk moved out (it was hurting their property value so they had to protect their investment before the value went lower) so more poverty stricken blacks moved in. What happens when poor people don't have access to good jobs? Some people find other ways to make money. Neighborhood gangs that were just dumb teenagers fighting each other started becoming the lines in drug wars. Or loot at Pittsburg for example. Known as the steel city. It was a blue collar city, hard working folk providing for their family and when it dried up, people who could moved away seeking new opportunity, those who couldn't stayed and lived in poverty. Poverty stricken areas become lower value areas where people looking for cheap places to live because they are poor move in and it becomes a collection of poor uneducated families. This opens up the debate as to whether globalism is a good thing or not. Its good for corporations, its not good for the overall structure of the country and when I say overall structure, I am talking about each city, every town that are all part of the structure of the country. Not to mention, companies make products that are not as good as they used to be and sell them for more while driving out the small town businesses and that also played a part in hurting "community" which impacted the country socially. And our government has become an absolute joke who are controlled by these corporations who are making products cheaper and selling them for more. They are making so much money, they are paying the politicians to approve laws that favor them. Then I think the change in the education system has put a toll on this country. I see these videos with students spraying mace on teachers because the teacher took away their phone. People mention that its because of a certain race who do all these things, I went to public school that was pretty much 50/50 white and black. Not every teacher, but we had teachers who didn't frick around and made sure the students knew they were the teacher and we were the students. It was their classroom and if a teacher told someone more than once to put something away, they will take it. There were teachers who would take shite away and not give it back. In HS they would take away pagers, portable CD players, etc and if it got taken away you tried to hide it from your parents. They stopped whoopin kids when I was in middle school, but in elementary school, the vice principle walked around with a purple paddle he called Purple Rain. He was this old black man.. Mr Jack and no one wanted to get sent to Mr. Jack. If you did and he paddled you, he would leave the door open so people can hear throughout the school and if the kid was heard crying they got messed with for a few days. And if a parent complained he would tell them "well if you don't want me to whip your kid then make sure he knows how to behave". It wasn't a race think, he whooped kids, no matter their race, for the same stuff. The things kids do today, that's shite we would have never imagined doing because we were kept in check. I can remember this black dude in my class had been being bad for a few days in a row. The teacher called his daddy. His daddy came to school, each section had two classes that was divided by these dividers. You could see the other class between the dividers and one day this kid's daddy went to the other class room and watched his son. At the time he seemed to be this really tall man and he wore cowboy boots with a big belt buckle. When is son started talking when the teacher was trying to teach he walked in, when his son saw him dude looked like he saw a ghost. His daddy took his belt off and wore his arse out then told him "we are going to deal with this when you get home". I don't think that kid ever talked again unless asked something by the teacher for the rest of the year. People can say what they want, but when teachers had more control and the school backed the teachers and parents didn't think their kid could do no wrong, things flowed a little smoothe



You outdid yourself with this one.
Posted by ScootiniTiger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2007
2549 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:45 pm to
The plan started in the '20's. Get God out of school Take control of education. Break up the Family. Remove patriotism,love of country. I've learned this doing research. In 1963 the Florida state government found this "manifesto" and read it out loud. Truth. It onky takes a couple of generations to tear a country apart.
Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
2946 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:00 am to
quote:

When Did America’s Decline Begin?


Oh I'd say somewhere in November of 2008
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
8296 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:10 am to
quote:

lead to conversations where people can talk about how our country can get back to being great again.


Democrats have made it to where we can’t have those conversations without fear of being cancelled
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
7592 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:15 am to
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One of my managers at work is black and she told me once that she doesn’t celebrate July 4th


In a way I understand this but if we lose to England slavery definitely continues anyway. I feel like England doesn’t get shite on enough by the SJWs in this country who say America is racist.
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3824 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:33 am to
When the smart phone came out definitely changed many aspects of life. 2007
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 12:48 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164607 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:51 am to
Started by the 17th amendment, direct election of senators, 1913

Finished off by LBJ, Vietnam and great society
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6037 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:28 am to
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LBJ, Vietnam and great society

Add moving significant parts of our domestic manufacturing base to China and Mexico along with related blue collar job lose across the nation.

LBJ's Great Society and the destruction of inner city traditional family units is though the greatest contributor.

Vietnam rightly destroyed trust in big government.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6043 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:45 am to
quote:

In a way I understand this but if we lose to England slavery definitely continues anyway. I feel like England doesn’t get shite on enough by the SJWs in this country who say America is racist.


England abolished slavery in 1807 and in their colonies in 1838.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:54 am to
England abolished slavery not from a sense of moral responsibility, but because they thought they could disrupt what was at the time the prevailing market to regain control of what they had lost.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3184 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 2:16 am to
quote:

The mid 80s were likely the best of America, but the decline likely started back in the 50s or 60s. The 24 hours news cycle was a terrible thing and that has morphed into social media and a lot of hate. If ruined journalism too.


I feel such a heart-pang when thinking back to how absolutely amazing the 80’s and early 90’s were as a child.

I wish I could scoop up my family and transport them back to those times, and raise them in that bubble in perpetuity.
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 2:16 am
Posted by Flyingtiger82
BFE
Member since Oct 2019
1009 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 2:21 am to
When the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1964.
Then September 11, 2001.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38687 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 3:35 am to
quote:

I feel such a heart-pang when thinking back to how absolutely amazing the 80’s and early 90’s were as a child.

I wish I could scoop up my family and transport them back to those times, and raise them in that bubble in perpetuity


Except for the constant fear of nuclear war.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
2075 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 4:03 am to
1913 & it isn’t even close, no debate necessary.

Creation of the FEDERAL RESERVE which created the:

IRS
GREAT DEPRESSION
SOCIAL SECURITY
ALL THE WARS when you factor in the people behind the FED created WWI, WWII, Bolshevik Revolution
The Welfare State
The Housing Bubbles
Surveillance
Censorship
They control the 6 Global Media Corps.
Big Pharma
- list goes on & on, follow the money, it never lies…

The DEEP STATE took full control in 1913 when Woodrow Wilson sold us all down the river, he even stated so on his death bed.

Him and the prick Senator from Rhode Island that sponsored the Bill

They had a secret meeting on Jeckyll Island, owned by JP Morgan himself in 1910
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
5039 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 4:21 am to
When Jane Fonda sat on a Viet Cong anti aircraft gun that shot down American pilots and she laughed and clapped and most of Hollywood was okay with it.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
16094 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 5:23 am to
Around 1913 with the income tax amendment to the constitution.

This provides fuel for all sorts of grift.
Then again in 1935 with SS act.

And in the 1960s with Medicare.

Each time we gave the government money and power.
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