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Europe travel- Car or train/plane
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:47 am
I recently posted about trying to do a 15 day or so trip with a lot of travel with much derision. I recently came into some extra money and now could probably spread the trip out over 25 days or so.
Without judging my itinerary, lol, would it be easier to just rent a car with one transaction or lining up train/plane rides in between several different cities?
I'd like to make a semi-loop from:
Amsterdam>Munich>Lausanne>Barcelona>Pamplona>Paris spending 3-5 days in each.
That would be like three 8 hour drives a a couple of 4 hour drives spread out over 3.5 weeks with places to stop in between to break up the longer drives.
Thoughts?
Without judging my itinerary, lol, would it be easier to just rent a car with one transaction or lining up train/plane rides in between several different cities?
I'd like to make a semi-loop from:
Amsterdam>Munich>Lausanne>Barcelona>Pamplona>Paris spending 3-5 days in each.
That would be like three 8 hour drives a a couple of 4 hour drives spread out over 3.5 weeks with places to stop in between to break up the longer drives.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:55 am to RandySavage
Driving:
Amsterdam to Munich: Almost 9 hours
Munich to Lausanne: 6 hours
Lausanne to Barcelona: 9 hours
Barcelona to Pamplona: 5 hours
Pamplona to Paris: 9-10 hours
The reverse itinerary is obviously similar times
Again, that seems like an incredible amount of time in the car, no matter how many days you are going for. If you just like driving for 9 hours on vacation, fine.
I'd consider planes for the really long drives.
OR:
Overnight trains. That way you just get a sleeper car, and you travel to your destination overnight and you don't need to get a hotel those nights.
Amsterdam to Munich: Almost 9 hours
Munich to Lausanne: 6 hours
Lausanne to Barcelona: 9 hours
Barcelona to Pamplona: 5 hours
Pamplona to Paris: 9-10 hours
The reverse itinerary is obviously similar times
Again, that seems like an incredible amount of time in the car, no matter how many days you are going for. If you just like driving for 9 hours on vacation, fine.
I'd consider planes for the really long drives.
OR:
Overnight trains. That way you just get a sleeper car, and you travel to your destination overnight and you don't need to get a hotel those nights.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:01 pm to RandySavage
Renting a car in Europe is a pain. It is expensive, and they all screw Americans when you return by charging extra fees and BS damage fines because they know you won't fight them from the U.S. for $200. The last time I tried to rent a car at Charles De Gaulle, I had booked it months in advance, waited 1.5 hours for it, only for them to tell me they did not have the car I needed available. I had to spend hundreds more booking from another place the last minute. Plus parking will be expensive or non-existent, and there are tolls everywhere.
In contrast, the trains and Metro are cheap and efficient and actually fun to take. Intra-continental flights are also inexpensive and not difficult to navigate.
In contrast, the trains and Metro are cheap and efficient and actually fun to take. Intra-continental flights are also inexpensive and not difficult to navigate.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:07 pm to RandySavage
frick driving that far. Mix it up with all 3
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:22 pm to RandySavage
I would take trains. I find them fast, easy and efficient all over Europe. Trains are a good way to get from city to city and cars are often useless in the cities because most towns are walkable and have good subway systems. And parking is often a problem.
I have rented cars several times in Europe but that was mostly when we were driving around the countryside such as in Tuscany and Normandy.
I have rented cars several times in Europe but that was mostly when we were driving around the countryside such as in Tuscany and Normandy.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 1:04 pm to RandySavage
I'm all for driving...but not sure I would here. You are going to have a car to park and store in big cities which will be a hassle.
I have done this before, stored a car in Venice for 5 nights that I drove from Munich and then drove it back. It was cheaper to do that in the long run and it worked out.
You left our important details though, how many people? The benefit of a car is when you get 3-4 people. It starts to make a lot more sense financially. Cars also, even in Europe, offer you much more flexibility and the ability to see a lot of sights with ease that public transportation does not.
The other really nice thing about a car, is that when you are on a go you have a private home base to keep your crap and meet. "meet back at the car at 2pm for a snack". After 10 days in a foreign country that can be really nice.
But again, you are going to be going days on end potentially not needing a car. So I'm not sure I'd do it in your situation.
I have done this before, stored a car in Venice for 5 nights that I drove from Munich and then drove it back. It was cheaper to do that in the long run and it worked out.
You left our important details though, how many people? The benefit of a car is when you get 3-4 people. It starts to make a lot more sense financially. Cars also, even in Europe, offer you much more flexibility and the ability to see a lot of sights with ease that public transportation does not.
The other really nice thing about a car, is that when you are on a go you have a private home base to keep your crap and meet. "meet back at the car at 2pm for a snack". After 10 days in a foreign country that can be really nice.
But again, you are going to be going days on end potentially not needing a car. So I'm not sure I'd do it in your situation.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 1:25 pm to Fun Bunch
Add about an hour for food and bathroom stops for driving. So travel times are similar but like others have said, having a car in a big city is an expensive PIA. And 5 long travel days even over 25 days is too much IMO. I will be in Europe for 3 weeks this summer and have 1 long travel day of 9 hours and that is my limit.
7.5 hrs by train
5:45 hrs by train
10 hrs by train
3:55 hrs by train
12 hrs by train
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Amsterdam to Munich: Almost 9 hours
7.5 hrs by train
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Munich to Lausanne: 6 hours
5:45 hrs by train
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Lausanne to Barcelona: 9 hours
10 hrs by train
quote:
Barcelona to Pamplona: 5 hours
3:55 hrs by train
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Pamplona to Paris: 9-10 hours
12 hrs by train
Posted on 4/27/23 at 1:52 pm to Zappas Stache
When you guys travel by train do you usually just get a Eurail pass or something with a certain number of valid travel days or do you but each leg individually. Seems like the former would be best?
If I train etc... I would probably have to cut out Switzerland and fly between Munich and Barcelona which was my original plan.
Buuuut, I really would like to go to Switzerland as I haven't been before.
If I train etc... I would probably have to cut out Switzerland and fly between Munich and Barcelona which was my original plan.
Buuuut, I really would like to go to Switzerland as I haven't been before.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 2:00 pm to RandySavage
If you're willing to go with a budget airline there are generally some really cheap fares in Europe.
We buy our train legs individually but we're in one country.
We buy our train legs individually but we're in one country.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 2:03 pm to RandySavage
quote:
When you guys travel by train do you usually just get a Eurail pass or something with a certain number of valid travel days or do you but each leg individually. Seems like the former would be best?
I do the research on cost of Eurail pass vs. individual train tix. For my trip this summer which includes a 9 hr train, a 3 hr train and 2 1 hr trains the individual route was cheaper. With a Eurail pass it was $211 for a 4day travel within a month but then you have to pay seat reservation fees on most trips which adds up and makes the eurail more expensive. Total Eurail w/ fees was $307 and individual was $290.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 2:33 pm to Zappas Stache
I have taken the trains a bunch of times in Europe but never have had a Eurail Pass. I just buy tickets for individual trips. For the longer trips that are part of my itinerary I usually buy tickets in advance. Other times I just go to the train station and buy a ticket. I have never had a problem.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 2:39 pm to RandySavage
quote:
Eurail pass
I've looked into these routinely and really the only time you will save money is if you travel like a college student back packing with their hair on fire doing some stupid itinerary. They generally aren't much savings for your average or conservative traveler, especially if you are crossing a bunch of countries.
Pretty sure you said you are travling with your family correct? You really need to consider a lot of the travel costs because they can really add up with multiple people. For example, if you want to go in a straight line with 4 people through multiple countries a car likely doesn't make sense. But if you loop around and turn a car into the same place with 4 people, it can make a lot of sense.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 2:48 pm to RandySavage
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Buuuut, I really would like to go to Switzerland as I haven't been before.
Understandable, but are you dying? You can just go to Switzerland in a year or two.
Personally, I would do something like drive from Amsterdam to Munich or Austria and make that the entire trip, stopping in places like Berlin, Rothenberg, Fussen etc along the way.
Or do Barcelona, Seville, Pamplona, Madrid, etc.
Those kinds of trips are so so much better. But you do you. I've done worse.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 3:02 pm to RandySavage
One area where Europe can be vastly different than the US is the amount of public parking in suburban and urban areas. Think about driving and finding a free street spot, or paying the cost of parking in NYC, SF, downtown Chicago, etc.; that is the situation in even small European cities. In rural areas you would be fine.
Not saying you shouldn't rent a car, but if you do factor in parking costs.
Not saying you shouldn't rent a car, but if you do factor in parking costs.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 4:11 pm to RandySavage
My wife and I were going to Munich in July but the trip fell through. Our plan was to fly from Munich to Zurich and spend a few days in that area, around Lucerne, then fly back to Munich for a few days. The r/t airfare was $180 on both Swiss Air and Lufthansa. Flying in Europe is much cheaper and faster than taking the train. However if in a scenic place like Switzerland I would definitely take the train because you see some really beautiful scenery.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 4:13 pm to baldona
In 3 trips over there, we’ve never done a rental…trains have worked best for us.
Also, in places like Munich you can get the Bavaria group pass, which allows up to 5 travelers to use one ticket for regional travel to places like Salzburg for like 35€ round trip total. There can be some good deals to be found, just have to look into it.
Also, in places like Munich you can get the Bavaria group pass, which allows up to 5 travelers to use one ticket for regional travel to places like Salzburg for like 35€ round trip total. There can be some good deals to be found, just have to look into it.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 4:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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Understandable, but are you dying? You can just go to Switzerland in a year or two.
No but I have three kids and a 20k dollar trip isn't in the budget for us every couple of years unless we want to forgo all other vacations.
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 4/27/23 at 8:36 pm to RandySavage
I hear your budget concern, but think of it a different way. What specifically is about Switzerland that you/kids need that you can't get in Northern Italy, Austria, etc.? There's great chocolate in Belgium, and that's a 90 minute ish high speed train from Paris.
Also, if you don't go in peak tourism season, costs can be half of what they are in-season. Whenever our school district sends out surveys on whether we want a later start or a sooner finish to the school year, this weighs heavily (not just international travel) on what I choose. One week in either direction in late May in Europe can cost many thousands of dollars more in lodging and flights.
You have three kids. If someone has to rent a car in Europe, I always suggest the smallest car you can get away with. You're not going to have that option, and unless you can drive stick, you are going to get ... eh... killed.
Take trains or flights in between major areas, and rent a car or a driver for excursions. Driving in Europe is not like being in the US; You may not see an ad for a petrol station for 30+ minutes even between major metro areas. Add in speed cameras that will auto-mail you tickets for going 2KM over the limit, and driving, if not necessary, is a big no thanks.
You *must* pay attention to the train routes you book, because you can ride between two cities on different classes of trains, and you can have a three hour ride or a seven hour ride.
Always, always, always reserve your seat ahead of time if it's available, especially with kids.
Also, if you don't go in peak tourism season, costs can be half of what they are in-season. Whenever our school district sends out surveys on whether we want a later start or a sooner finish to the school year, this weighs heavily (not just international travel) on what I choose. One week in either direction in late May in Europe can cost many thousands of dollars more in lodging and flights.
You have three kids. If someone has to rent a car in Europe, I always suggest the smallest car you can get away with. You're not going to have that option, and unless you can drive stick, you are going to get ... eh... killed.
Take trains or flights in between major areas, and rent a car or a driver for excursions. Driving in Europe is not like being in the US; You may not see an ad for a petrol station for 30+ minutes even between major metro areas. Add in speed cameras that will auto-mail you tickets for going 2KM over the limit, and driving, if not necessary, is a big no thanks.
You *must* pay attention to the train routes you book, because you can ride between two cities on different classes of trains, and you can have a three hour ride or a seven hour ride.
Always, always, always reserve your seat ahead of time if it's available, especially with kids.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 8:46 pm to drockw1
quote:
In 3 trips over there, we’ve never done a rental…trains have worked best for us.
Respectfully, you don’t know that if you have never done a rental.
Trains are great, for what they are good for. Like I said, there’s a lot to europe outside the big cities and everyone keeps acting like trains go everywhere but they don’t. Cars are definitely driven all over, that’s why they all still have cars.
Given that, I don’t disagree and OP’s trip is still all over the place. I don’t think he is considering the expenses to do all of these things. Airfare may be cheaper then the USA and trains can be affordable, but I believe he has a family and moving that many people around Europe that much still isn’t cheap.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 8:53 pm to RandySavage
Consider this OP. This is your basic plan, and maybe I said this in your other thread. You are coming to the USA for 25 days and you are flying into NYC, going to Boston, traveling to Atlanta, then Miami, then going to Chicago.
You gotta look at it like that and rally decide if doing all of those make sense even if on trains and flights. Or maybe you just wanna road trip.
I love having a car in the country in Europe. But your trip is still a major push for me. But it’s doable, and I know of others that have done crazier and enjoyed it.
You gotta look at it like that and rally decide if doing all of those make sense even if on trains and flights. Or maybe you just wanna road trip.
I love having a car in the country in Europe. But your trip is still a major push for me. But it’s doable, and I know of others that have done crazier and enjoyed it.
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