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re: 2023 Umpires are bad

Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
71091 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:08 pm to
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Is it the home plate ump in charge of the clock or the third base ump (or is one for the batter and one for the pitcher)?


Good question, I assumed it was the HP ump but I'm not sure.
Posted by Purplengoldtigerfan
Eunice
Member since Sep 2015
906 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:09 pm to
No, it definitely is everywhere. And it’s not just the SEC. The SEC is definitely noticed more because it has a bigger fan base and also more opportunities to see on television. But it is definitely the worse I have seen throughout college baseball. EVER!

I still haven’t heard of anyone flat out say that the balls were changed this year. Can anyone say that they have?

I really think a lot of the reasoning homeruns are being hit at an elevated rate this year….. is because umpires strike zone is piss poor.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5575 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:09 pm to
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He could have warned the coach imo. But taunting another player on an opposing team is considered unsportsman like conduct. This warrants an ejection. Maybe players need to stop acting like little kids and be a fricking man.
"Stop acting like an 18 year old and instead act like a 45 year old plant operator!"
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
77449 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:14 pm to
This ultra tight strike zone they have been calling this year is horrible and have led to extended innings for both teams and then they can't even be consistent with their new zone they are calling.

Pitchers don't know where to throw and batters don't know when to take or swing when the same pitch location is called differently each time.

Every game you can see the frustration on the players like never before.

In the past you would expect one ump out of the crew to be bad, but now its the entire crew...
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31063 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:16 pm to
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taunting another player on an opposing team is considered unsportsman like conduct. This warrants an ejection. Maybe players need to stop acting like little kids and be a fricking man.


None of this, with the exception of being ejected from the game, happened.


The Florida pitcher barely flexes and before he's reached the baseline while he's walking to his dugout, while he's been facing his dugout the entire time, he's thrown out of the game.


Where's the taunting? Again, calling it a flex is a stretch. He didn't flip off the other player or say anything disrespectful.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Menatiger
Mena, Arkanss
Member since Sep 2018
1149 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:21 pm to
I think the SEC is in cahoots with the umpires to have a small strike zone to encourage more swings and hurry a ball to be put in play thus shortening the game.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9605 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:27 pm to
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but now they're being graded using trackman and they're up in their heads about it and even worse.

They're squeezing guys and having inconsistent zones.


the issue...

the fix is pay for talent and let it roll..
Posted by LSUguy2023
St. George
Member since Oct 2021
2154 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:27 pm to
As a high school umpire and very low level college umpire, I try to be much more pitcher friendly.

Personally I rather call some pitches strikes that should be balls, than vice versa.

Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
3942 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:38 pm to
I’ve always been against laser tech computer strike zone calls but no more. Too much inconsistent strikes and balls from umpire to umpire. Umpire can have earphone with one beep for strikes, two beeps for balls or something like that. Calls would be pretty damn consistent then. Fans really wouldn’t notice anything different in watching a game. Umpire makes calls, as normal, but with that tech assistance.
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2870 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:42 pm to
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I think the SEC is in cahoots with the umpires to have a small strike zone to encourage more swings and hurry a ball to be put in play thus shortening the game.


How would a small zone encourage swings and shorten the game?
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14984 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:44 pm to
They’ve always been bad. Unfortunately when the NCAA tries to make bad umpires call balls and strikes on a smaller strike zone, this is the result.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25348 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:47 pm to
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How would a small zone encourage swings and shorten the game?


Not that I necessarily agree with the premise, but I think the reasoning behind this comment is that pitchers will have to throw more pitches that are clearly strikes, resulting in more swings because of less borderline pitches.

So you have two things at work, more balls on borderline pitches which could increase walks and lengthen the game, which I believe is what you were thinking when asking this question.

The second is pitchers responding to tight zones by having to throw more obvious strikes that are easier for hitters to handle.

The result is probably no change in game time, but it is interesting to think about.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15600 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:50 pm to
Everyone complaining about tight strike zones and saying we need to have an electronic zone now, y’all are really going to hate the electronic zones then. Will be extremely tight. They just need to come up with a college strike zone and go by it with real people as umpires. Just give half a ball to a ball off both sides of the plate and call it a day. No need to have a tight arse MLB zone.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25348 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:54 pm to
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Everyone complaining about tight strike zones and saying we need to have an electronic zone now, y’all are really going to hate the electronic zones then. Will be extremely tight. They just need to come up with a college strike zone and go by it with real people as umpires. Just give half a ball to a ball off both sides of the plate and call it a day. No need to have a tight arse MLB zone.



The thing is, you could have that type of strike zone with the electronics. That's just a matter of the parameters. The consistency is what you'd be gaining from going to an electronic decision making process.
Posted by ramchallenge
Member since Nov 2009
3054 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:55 pm to
Wokeism has struck (pun intended!) the umpires of America!
Posted by Purplengoldtigerfan
Eunice
Member since Sep 2015
906 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:57 pm to
There needs to be some consistency though. It’s not about a tight strike zone. It’s about 1 inch off the plate being called a ball and then 2 innings later it’s being called a strike 2 inches off the plate.
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2870 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 2:01 pm to
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The second is pitchers responding to tight zones by having to throw more obvious strikes that are easier for hitters to handle.


That's fair.

I would say that a bigger zone speeds up the game much more than pitchers responding to a tight zone. So if the SEC was looking for shorter games, the directive would be to expand the zone.
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10600 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 2:03 pm to
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hardest & most under appreciated jobs known to man

My job was hard too, but I worked hard to not suck at it.
But, to be fair, I think this starts with the unmitigated abuse young umps get in little league and travel ball and the good ones finally decide it’s not worth it. If you threatened me and paid me shite at my job, I would have quit too!
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted by Geaux62
Member since Jan 2020
400 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 2:07 pm to
Explains why there are so many walks and the runs/game is up. You get no calls on the black so you have to pump it down the middle and hope they miss. College kids can hit 95mph all day long. There aren't many Skenes' out there who can survive this. They are really bad.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15600 posts
Posted on 4/18/23 at 2:32 pm to
Say that pitch is thrown 20 times and 19 of those times it’s called a ball. But because he called it a strike one time it means there’s inconsistency in the umpires? That pitch isn’t going to look exactly the same every time. It’s hard to differentiate pitches, especially when we’re talking about inches and centimeters.
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