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re: How not to motivate your employees - CEO of Herman Miller/Knoll
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:33 pm to RaginCajunz
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:33 pm to RaginCajunz
I dont see a problem with what she said. Are people upset about this? People are soft
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:37 pm to Fat and Happy
She got salary of almost $4.7 million. She also got a bunch of stock, and her bonuses. She also bought another 60,000+ shares when the price went down. It is heading up now.
Also, all of you knighting for this count should send her a link to this thread. She will surely bang you.
Also, all of you knighting for this count should send her a link to this thread. She will surely bang you.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:37 pm to RaginCajunz
I don’t disagree with her at all. But man that was a change in tone
The boom at the end made me laugh though. Like a movie caricature.
The boom at the end made me laugh though. Like a movie caricature.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:40 pm to jfw3535
She can say it. Problem being that employees who feel they are getting screwed will start looking for the door.
When people leave, it typically isn’t your low performers. It is the people who tend to be your best people and have an idea of their value.
When people leave, it typically isn’t your low performers. It is the people who tend to be your best people and have an idea of their value.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:41 pm to stout
Think it is a generational thing.
"Older" employees have a different way of taking that type of message from "younger" employees
"Older" employees have a different way of taking that type of message from "younger" employees
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:52 pm to teke184
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Problem being that employees who feel they are getting screwed will start looking for the door.
Then the CEO will put out the "no one wants to work anymore" message.
Pizza parties and talking down to employees ain't a good recipe to recruit talent these days.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:55 pm to jfw3535
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I see no problem with what she said. The fact that so many seem to be bothered by this speaks volumes about our current culture and lack of work ethic.
We just don’t know enough about the situation to judge. Her bonus might be tied to an increase in the number of widgets sold. She could have been part of an executive team that bought a somewhat smaller widget maker company for an outrageous price, thereby doubling the amount of widgets sold. The company is left in a financially dangerous situation that will increase the debt the company carries by five times.
Fast forward a few years and she’s part of a team that sells the acquired company for pennies on the dollar but she got rid of a chunk of the company’s debt so she earns another big bonus.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I have said in at least three different posts, some variation of: "If bonuses were earned and not paid, then this woman deserves all the scorn she is getting. But if the bonuses were not earned, then I have no issue"
But for some reason you gloss over that she (and presumably the rest of the executive team) received their bonuses.
If the employees at large collectively failed so hard that none of them received bonuses, it would make sense that the executives bear responsibility for that failure.
She’s the one claiming there’s a massive shortfall that has to be filled. Sounds like she didn’t earn her bonus.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:19 pm to BobABooey
Some people can't handle the truth.
She went a bit far towards the end, but I'd rather have someone be straight with me than blow smoke up my rear.
I had a boss that gave a speech like that once, with a few more expletives. He wasn't angry with the people who worked for him but rather those above him who had put us in a near impossible position. About 1/3 of the team checked out after the meeting, the other 2/3s got it done. You learn who you want to be in a foxhole with when things get tough.
She went a bit far towards the end, but I'd rather have someone be straight with me than blow smoke up my rear.
I had a boss that gave a speech like that once, with a few more expletives. He wasn't angry with the people who worked for him but rather those above him who had put us in a near impossible position. About 1/3 of the team checked out after the meeting, the other 2/3s got it done. You learn who you want to be in a foxhole with when things get tough.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:28 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Your team just lost their bonus, they will understandably be mad/upset/letdown. Some may leave over it, some may work harder.
Don't berate them as a whole on top of that news. Will make those on the fence decide to bail.
Don't berate them as a whole on top of that news. Will make those on the fence decide to bail.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:37 pm to Pax Regis
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fricking yikes. I’m sorry but women in leadership positions come off so passive aggressive and catty frequently like this lady. That whole smile while taking to shite to me to make me forget my bonus while you get yours is pretty fricking par for the course. Then capped off with that shitty, “thank you….”
Exactly, I agree overall with the sentiment of her message, she just didn’t have to be such a kunt about it
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:40 pm to Jcorye1
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I saw this shite during Covid, partners complaining about productivity from their second houses in the mountains while their employees were stuck in apartments with roommates just trying to get through the day. I
Imagine seeing that on zoom calls while you were still going to work every single day, on site.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:41 pm to RaginCajunz
She has the voice of a kindergarten teacher. I would want to take a nap after listening her...
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:45 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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But for some reason you gloss over that she (and presumably the rest of the executive team) received their bonuses.
I didn’t gloss over it, I just don’t know it to be true, and apparently you don’t either, hence “presumably”
But let’s assume that’s true: Are you of the opinion that if executives, say a CEO, qualify for a bonus or stock options, they should forgo those bonuses if other employees don’t qualify for their bonuses - even if the criteria and triggers may be completely unconnected?
Managers and sales personnel are often bonused on meeting sales goals, profit levels or budgetary plans.
A CEO could be rewarded based on stock price targets, acquisitions or completely non-monetary thresholds like meeting diversity goals or even just hitting an anniversary date.
So it’s not out of the ordinary for executive bonuses and management/sales bonuses to not always be aligned.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:45 pm to RaginCajunz
She needs to tie their pay more closely to performance so no one is surprised the company didn’t make the goals needed to pay bonuses.
She is right and needs the snowflakes to leave and the performers to make more money.
She is right and needs the snowflakes to leave and the performers to make more money.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:47 pm to LSUFanHouston
and that very well may be true
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:52 pm to RaginCajunz
She started off OK and then took a turn to TV boss villain real quick.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:53 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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But let’s assume that’s true: Are you of the opinion that if executives, say a CEO, qualify for a bonus or stock options, they should forgo those bonuses if other employees don’t qualify for their bonuses - even if the criteria and triggers may be completely unconnected?
She’s the one complaining about a budget shortfall so yes she and the rest the supposed leaders should do just that. Lead.
The criteria and triggers suck if things are so bad that normally given employee bonuses are cancelled company wide but the execs still qualify for 7 figure bonuses.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:53 pm to RaginCajunz
That bitch two handed boomed at the end of the call...
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:54 pm to I B Freeman
They lost $27 million in 2022
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