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re: Nashville School Shooting
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:07 pm to QJenk
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:07 pm to QJenk
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It doesn't exist in a vaccum. But I would argue that it's the biggest issue this country is facing.
No, the issue isn't gun violence. It's violence. From a specific subset of the population. Control for that subset, and US violence statistics are on par with the rest of the western world.
As has been pointed out in this thread already, there are many places in this country that have high gun ownership, yet very little violent crime. Even if those areas are poor.
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:08 pm to QJenk
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But I would argue that it's the biggest issue this country is facing.
No.
Its a symptom of an issue.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If we rid society of the 5-10% causing most of the problems, we certainly take a turn for the better.
So, you can either treat law abiding citizens with respect and crack down on crime, or you can be soft on crime, and remove all implements of harm from society.
I agree. We should be much tougher on crime then we currently are.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:09 pm to QJenk
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It doesn't exist in a vaccum. But I would argue that it's the biggest issue this country is facing.
Why gun violence and not violence generally?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:09 pm to QJenk
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If you are armed with nothing but your fists against someone with a weapon.
I don't know why I would ever do that.
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Which person do you have a higher chance of survival against, the person with a knife, or the person with a gun.
Do you understand that you're making my point for me?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:10 pm to Pettifogger
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Why gun violence and not violence generally?
I specifically was talking about the number of lives lost.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:10 pm to QJenk
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It also happens to be the best method for a criminal to carry out their nefarious goals.
So we agree to make it illegal for criminals to use guns right? Do you think, just maybe, that criminals don't actually care about what is and is not legal?
Our politicians can't stop drugs from coming across the border at staggering rates. What makes you think they'll stop guns?
Let's pretend that we pull a UK and ban all guns.....congrats, we've just created a HUGE demand for blackmarket guns. So now criminals will have guns(which they already do) but law-abiding citizens are no longer able to defend themselves.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:12 pm to QJenk
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I specifically was talking about the number of lives lost.
Is your argument here theoretical (as in, if there was a realistic path to getting rid of guns in the country, crime would decrease) or a proposal of some sort?
I think the former is probably true, even though most of my 2A hardliner allies would likely disagree. I just don't think it's feasible, nor do I think it would be a wise thing to comply with for people on my side of this debate.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:12 pm to QJenk
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If you are armed with nothing but your fists against someone with a weapon. Which person do you have a higher chance of survival against, the person with a knife, or the person with a gun.
for a VERY large portion of the population.....the answer is neither.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't know why I would ever do that.
Of course you don't. This is fictional scenario lol.
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I don't know why I would ever do that.
Of course. That's why I said before this is a circular argument. I don't want criminals to have guns, because it is the most effective method of ending lives.
Simultaneously, they are the most effective method of self defense.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:15 pm to QJenk
Why do you keep trying to argue a point you admittedly don't even have?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:15 pm to QJenk
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That's why I said before this is a circular argument. I don't want criminals to have guns, because it is the most effective method of ending lives.
Simultaneously, they are the most effective method of self defense.
I just don't understand the idea of wishing away the tool and not the actual reasons why a person chooses to kill someone in the first place
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:15 pm to QJenk
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Of course you don't. This is fictional scenario lol.
Just say straw man.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:16 pm to Pettifogger
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Is your argument here theoretical (as in, if there was a realistic path to getting rid of guns in the country, crime would decrease) or a proposal of some sort?
I think the former is probably true, even though most of my 2A hardliner allies would likely disagree. I just don't think it's feasible, nor do I think it would be a wise thing to comply with for people on my side of this debate.
Good question. My argument was strictly theoretical. I was stating before, my personal desire would be to Thanos snap all guns out of existence. Obviously that's not possible.
I do not agree with those who would push for a national gun ban, etc. It's not possible, and I think it would lead to some The Purge levels of anarchy.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:17 pm to QJenk
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Which person do you have a higher chance of survival against, the person with a knife, or the person with a gun.
Personally I'd rather be shot than stabbed repeatedly while fighting for my life.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:21 pm to BottomlandBrew
Since there are still retards here pushing the gun control narrative as a way to prevent mass tragedies, let us take a peak at Japan as another example where guns are virtually impossible to obtain for the average citizen.
Tokyo Sarin Gas Attack
A doomsday cult managed to synthesize sarin gas, a deadly neurotoxin that is odorless and requires only tiny amounts to kill. By a miracle they ONLY killed 13 people because the chemists improperly synthesized the sarin… potentially thousands could have died.
More recently there are a couple of high profile killings.
Kyoto Animation arson attack
Psycho runs into building with 11 fricking gallons of gasoline and killed 36 people.
And of course the most high profile and recent attack.
The assassination of a former prime minister with a home made gun
Man with a grudge against the Abe just made his own gun and propellant to assassinate a former leader of one of the most 1st world nations on earth.
The point of this is… it does not matter what you do, psychopaths with enough drive will find a multitude of ways to inflict extreme death and violence on whoever they deem deserve it. I’ll keep my guns thanks.
Tokyo Sarin Gas Attack
A doomsday cult managed to synthesize sarin gas, a deadly neurotoxin that is odorless and requires only tiny amounts to kill. By a miracle they ONLY killed 13 people because the chemists improperly synthesized the sarin… potentially thousands could have died.
More recently there are a couple of high profile killings.
Kyoto Animation arson attack
Psycho runs into building with 11 fricking gallons of gasoline and killed 36 people.
And of course the most high profile and recent attack.
The assassination of a former prime minister with a home made gun
Man with a grudge against the Abe just made his own gun and propellant to assassinate a former leader of one of the most 1st world nations on earth.
The point of this is… it does not matter what you do, psychopaths with enough drive will find a multitude of ways to inflict extreme death and violence on whoever they deem deserve it. I’ll keep my guns thanks.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:22 pm to pankReb
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Why do you keep trying to argue a point you admittedly don't even have?
I'm not even sure what you are saying. But hell, I think I'm just going to bow out here anyways. It's hard work trying to debate 6 different people at once.
Especially when I'm debating a point that is only meant to be for a theoretical world
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Personally I'd rather be shot than stabbed repeatedly while fighting for my life.
Yep. I've sometimes thought of that Goldman dude that OJ didn't kill. You're best hope is to bleed out to unconsciousness quickly. Had to be horrifying.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:23 pm to QJenk
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How are you going to pop in out of nowhere and say what I'm doing?
Like this. Reading!!!
You are backtracking. I read your comment. You now say that isn't what you meant because you were shown to be wrong. Seems pretty simple and obvious.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:25 pm to LSUGent
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Since there are still retards here pushing the gun control narrative as a way to prevent mass tragedies, let us take a peak at Japan as another example where guns are virtually impossible to obtain for the average citizen.
Tokyo Sarin Gas Attack
A doomsday cult managed to synthesize sarin gas, a deadly neurotoxin that is odorless and requires only tiny amounts to kill. By a miracle they ONLY killed 13 people because the chemists improperly synthesized the sarin… potentially thousands could have died.
More recently there are a couple of high profile killings.
Kyoto Animation arson attack
Psycho runs into building with 11 fricking gallons of gasoline and killed 36 people.
And of course the most high profile and recent attack.
The assassination of a former prime minister with a home made gun
Man with a grudge against the Abe just made his own gun and propellant to assassinate a former leader of one of the most 1st world nations on earth.
The point of this is… it does not matter what you do, psychopaths with enough drive will find a multitude of ways to inflict extreme death and violence on whoever they deem deserve it. I’ll keep my guns thanks.
Damn Japan has such little violent crime we can actually remember every event they have. Thats like a slow week in the US
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