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re: Livingston Parish 1% tax for teacher raises fails to pass
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:30 am to LSUAngelHere1
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:30 am to LSUAngelHere1
quote:People don’t constantly bash advertisers about their profession and what days they work and when they want more money.
I love how teachers act like they’re the only salaried profession who works when they’re not at the office. I have 30yrs in advertising and always worked evngs and weekends. I answered the phone when a client or anyone from work called or texted me. My cousin is an adjuster and always has files on the sofa at the night that she works on. Teachers are just one segment of many adults who work at different hours and use their own money to advance their careers,
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:40 am to The_Icon44
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School board meeting going to be interesting Thursday. Addendum from the Super. Sorry if it won’t load.It talks about teachers doing the bare min for the remainder of the year.
Here's the text:
Recommendation
After consulting with my senior staff and central office staff, I will be proposing the following adjustments for the remainder of this school year at our board meeting on March 30. Please see the adjustments below and reach out to me with any questions you may have.
1. Parent Conferences will only be held with our teachers, during their contracted work hours and during their unencumbered worktime, to the best of our ability.
2. All principals will have the discretion to discontinue any non-essential club or activity that takes place outside the sponsor's contracted work period for which they are not being compensated for the remainder of the school year.
3. Our current year school calendar has minutes built into the school year to allow for weather related dismissals. This year, we have only had one weather-related dismissal day, which is certainly a departure from the last few years. In those years, those extra minutes have allowed us to release our employees and schools, without them having to make up minutes to meet state requirements. As a result of the extra minutes not used this year, and pending any weather-related dismissal prior to May 19, we are recommending dismissing our schools, our students and our employees on May 19. Any employee that is contacted more than 182 days will be addressed by their direct supervisor. Dismissing this date will still allow all our schools to meet the minimum requirements for instructional minutes and will not interfere with our normal end-of-year procedures.
4. Most of our schools require their faculty to work after-hours athletic events, by manning the gate, working concessions or performing some other related activity outside of their contracted work hours. For the remainder of this year, no employee shall be required to work at these events, unless it is voluntary or that employee is compensated at the discretion of the principal. We can revisit this item during the course of the summer and into the beginning of the next school year. Employees may be compensated by the school, or the school could ask for parent volunteers to perform those duties.
5. Professional Development - This information regarding our scheduled half day on March 29 has already been released to board members and principals.
6. Much has been said about the possibility of a 4-day week in some format. This is a very complicated issue with far-reaching implications both internally and externally and would require extensive study before implementation.
Thank you for your time
Joe
Presenter
Superintendent Alan "Joe" Murphy
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:05 pm to ModernCajun
First off, The Livingston Parish School System has declined greatly under the watch of Joe Murphy.
1. Parent Conferences will only be held with our teachers, during their contracted work hours and during their unencumbered worktime, to the best of our ability.
-As it should be, no emploeyee should be required to work after their business hours without compensation.
2. All principals will have the discretion to discontinue any non-essential club or activity that takes place outside the sponsor's contracted work period for which they are not being compensated for the remainder of the school year.
-Once again, if they are being required to work outside of their normal contracted work hours, without compensation, the policy should be amended.
3. Our current year school calendar has minutes built into the school year to allow for weather related dismissals. This year, we have only had one weather-related dismissal day, which is certainly a departure from the last few years. In those years, those extra minutes have allowed us to release our employees and schools, without them having to make up minutes to meet state requirements. As a result of the extra minutes not used this year, and pending any weather-related dismissal prior to May 19, we are recommending dismissing our schools, our students and our employees on May 19. Any employee that is contacted more than 182 days will be addressed by their direct supervisor. Dismissing this date will still allow all our schools to meet the minimum requirements for instructional minutes and will not interfere with our normal end-of-year procedures.
-Once again, were they planning on making emploeyees work beyond their contracted hours without compensation?
4. Most of our schools require their faculty to work after-hours athletic events, by manning the gate, working concessions or performing some other related activity outside of their contracted work hours. For the remainder of this year, no employee shall be required to work at these events, unless it is voluntary or that employee is compensated at the discretion of the principal. We can revisit this item during the course of the summer and into the beginning of the next school year. Employees may be compensated by the school, or the school could ask for parent volunteers to perform those duties.
-They already do have parent volunteers for most of those activities, in fact most of teh items listed are usually manned by parents. If they want behave like children and try to be vindictive to the general public, they might just find that pool of volunteers dry up.
5. Professional Development - This information regarding our scheduled half day on March 29 has already been released to board members and principals.
-Has no bearing on their pay.
6. Much has been said about the possibility of a 4-day week in some format. This is a very complicated issue with far-reaching implications both internally and externally and would require extensive study before implementation.
-Moving to a 4 day work week is not a pay raise unless they plan on keeping the daily school hours the same. Which, if they do, brings up the question of why they are so inefficient that they waste a whole day every week.
All in all, it sound like the teachers should be more angry at the school system for taking advantage of them. But also, trying to be vindictive to the tax paying public, who ultimately control your purse strings is never a winning strategy and could backfire spectacularly.
1. Parent Conferences will only be held with our teachers, during their contracted work hours and during their unencumbered worktime, to the best of our ability.
-As it should be, no emploeyee should be required to work after their business hours without compensation.
2. All principals will have the discretion to discontinue any non-essential club or activity that takes place outside the sponsor's contracted work period for which they are not being compensated for the remainder of the school year.
-Once again, if they are being required to work outside of their normal contracted work hours, without compensation, the policy should be amended.
3. Our current year school calendar has minutes built into the school year to allow for weather related dismissals. This year, we have only had one weather-related dismissal day, which is certainly a departure from the last few years. In those years, those extra minutes have allowed us to release our employees and schools, without them having to make up minutes to meet state requirements. As a result of the extra minutes not used this year, and pending any weather-related dismissal prior to May 19, we are recommending dismissing our schools, our students and our employees on May 19. Any employee that is contacted more than 182 days will be addressed by their direct supervisor. Dismissing this date will still allow all our schools to meet the minimum requirements for instructional minutes and will not interfere with our normal end-of-year procedures.
-Once again, were they planning on making emploeyees work beyond their contracted hours without compensation?
4. Most of our schools require their faculty to work after-hours athletic events, by manning the gate, working concessions or performing some other related activity outside of their contracted work hours. For the remainder of this year, no employee shall be required to work at these events, unless it is voluntary or that employee is compensated at the discretion of the principal. We can revisit this item during the course of the summer and into the beginning of the next school year. Employees may be compensated by the school, or the school could ask for parent volunteers to perform those duties.
-They already do have parent volunteers for most of those activities, in fact most of teh items listed are usually manned by parents. If they want behave like children and try to be vindictive to the general public, they might just find that pool of volunteers dry up.
5. Professional Development - This information regarding our scheduled half day on March 29 has already been released to board members and principals.
-Has no bearing on their pay.
6. Much has been said about the possibility of a 4-day week in some format. This is a very complicated issue with far-reaching implications both internally and externally and would require extensive study before implementation.
-Moving to a 4 day work week is not a pay raise unless they plan on keeping the daily school hours the same. Which, if they do, brings up the question of why they are so inefficient that they waste a whole day every week.
All in all, it sound like the teachers should be more angry at the school system for taking advantage of them. But also, trying to be vindictive to the tax paying public, who ultimately control your purse strings is never a winning strategy and could backfire spectacularly.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:13 pm to HangmanPage1
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People don’t constantly bash advertisers about their profession and what days they work and when they want more money.
Advertisers don’t constantly whine about how unjust their jobs are. They also aren’t protected by a union.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:17 pm to HangmanPage1
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People don’t constantly bash advertisers about their profession and what days they work and when they want more money.
Bc we’re not trying to attack and intimidate them to take money away from their family to give it to us.
Also, we live in the real world and aren’t privileged to still make a damn good salary if we suck at our job.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:23 pm to toosleaux
I never vote for new taxes or renewals except for fire. The original purpose of the tax was already used. Come back to me if you need more. I’m not going to give you an open checkbook.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:29 pm to ModernCajun
Schoolboard President doubling down after the voters said NO is going to be a bad look. Good luck with that route buddy
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:36 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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damn good salary
That is very relative. No one I know considers 43k a good salary.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:38 pm to slinger1317
I’m glad he’s doubling down. Most teachers want to do those things listed above and don’t mind if they feel they are being treated fairly. They don’t feel they are being paid adequately so the extra stuff they did won’t be done. Kudos to the superintendent for going to bat for his employees.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 1:16 pm to rented mule
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it sound like the teachers should be more angry at the school system for taking advantage of them. But also, trying to be vindictive to the tax paying public
This seems opposite of that. Sounds like Murphy is sticking up for his teachers and they feel the public is taking advantage of all the extra stuff they do without pay.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:29 pm to secondandshort
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I’m glad he’s doubling down. Most teachers want to do those things listed above and don’t mind if they feel they are being treated fairly. They don’t feel they are being paid adequately so the extra stuff they did won’t be done. Kudos to the superintendent for going to bat for his employees.
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remainder of this school year…
Was the proposed facilities improvement tax increase starting July 1, 2023 going to somehow back date pay raises for this current school year? If so how? If not why should tax vote affect remainder of current school year?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:34 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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This seems opposite of that. Sounds like Murphy is sticking up for his teachers and they feel the public is taking advantage of all the extra stuff they do without pay.
Most of which they are required to do.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:51 pm to rented mule
Im' not saying that teachers couldn't use a pay raise, I'm just saying that the school system or Parish should look into other ways to fund it versus automatically trying to raise taxes, and being vindictive and childish because you didn't get what you wanted is a bad look.
It sucks that they didn't get a raise this year, but most people in the real world didn't get a raise this year. Teachers also get a lot of benefits that people in other fields don't get. They do get a ridiculous amount of time off compared to the rest of the working world. They get a better retirement system than most other people, and they pay about 1/3 of what most people pay for health insurance. Plus, pretty much the only way they can get fired is if they do something illegal with a kid.
It sucks that they didn't get a raise this year, but most people in the real world didn't get a raise this year. Teachers also get a lot of benefits that people in other fields don't get. They do get a ridiculous amount of time off compared to the rest of the working world. They get a better retirement system than most other people, and they pay about 1/3 of what most people pay for health insurance. Plus, pretty much the only way they can get fired is if they do something illegal with a kid.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:59 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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This seems opposite of that. Sounds like Murphy is sticking up for his teachers and they feel the public is taking advantage of all the extra stuff they do without pay.
Maybe they should have focused on giving only the teachers raises especially since those are what they keep talking about; and also instead of increasing an already high sales tax looked into adding mills which usually have exemptions for retired or disabled to be less affected by increases.
Instead they kind of created a shadow board with the facilities improvement district to look into local tax options for raises even though this type of district has only one option to collect local tax revenue under state law these districts - 1% Sale Tax increases (EFIDs also have a lot of power and are for parish districts with emergency facility issues).
Did people buy that the appointed board of this new district were running numbers and mulling through all various sales and property tax options to find best solution for parish district to increase taxes and that their proposal to voters just happened to be the only solution allowed under state law for this type of facilities district?
As soon as school board created the district in regards to raising local tax revenue it was increasing sales tax 1% or bust. Decision was made when school board created this district back in I think September. The EFID was asking for tax not the elected school board.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:57 pm to dallastigers
Sales tax would allow everyone that benefits from a good school system to share in the tax. Taxes were not paid on groceries, gas, or prescriptions.
Sure teachers deserve the raise but maybe everyone does. Janitors, secretaries, lunch ladies all the way to superintendent.
EFID is a shadow board? What garbage are you trying to spew? Each board member appointed someone. Most are well known business leaders in their communities. All the meetings were public.
Yes I believe the board did mull through the numbers and potential taxes. I listened to the LP tax assessor and the school board tax collector and both thought this was the most viable option.
Sure teachers deserve the raise but maybe everyone does. Janitors, secretaries, lunch ladies all the way to superintendent.
EFID is a shadow board? What garbage are you trying to spew? Each board member appointed someone. Most are well known business leaders in their communities. All the meetings were public.
Yes I believe the board did mull through the numbers and potential taxes. I listened to the LP tax assessor and the school board tax collector and both thought this was the most viable option.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:26 pm to PubeCrab
quote:The bulk of the property tax for schools come from households who don’t even send their kids to public schools. Makes sense that portion of the community wouldn’t give a shite about public school teachers getting a raise. They pay enough and don’t see anything for it.
But somehow 1% is , too much? Sad and pathetic.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:39 pm to TrouserTrout
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bulk of the property tax for schools come from households who don’t even send their kids to public schools
If you think this, you do not know Livingston Parish at all. Over 90% of Livingston Parish kids go to public school. Go post your garbage in other threads.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:59 pm to secondandshort
quote:You are correct but Livingston parish hasn’t been invaded yet like most other places. Eventually the day will come and my argument which was a generalization of Louisiana not specifically Livingston parish will be true.
Over 90% of Livingston Parish kids go to public schoo
Posted on 3/29/23 at 5:05 pm to secondandshort
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EFID is a shadow board? What garbage are you trying to spew?
Basically spewing state law.
Do you understand the purpose and the power that EFIDs have? There is a reason Livingston’s is just the 3rd created in the state and meant for emergency issues with a district’s facilities.
https://legis.la.gov/Legis/law.aspx?d=89997
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Each district shall have all of the rights and powers necessary to carry out and effectuate the purposes and provisions of this Section including the rights and powers set forth in R.S. 13:5121 et seq. Each district, as a body corporate and politic and as a political subdivision of the state with full corporate powers, shall have the following rights and powers:
(1) To adopt bylaws for the regulation of its affairs and the conduct of its business.
(2) To adopt an official seal and alter the seal at its pleasure.
(3) To maintain an office at such place as it may designate and to occupy space for such purposes as may be made available by a school board.
(4) To sue and be sued.
(5) To receive, administer, and comply with the conditions and requirements respecting any gift, grant, guarantee, subsidy, or donation of any property or money.
(6) To borrow money and issue bonds or obligations of the district in the manner provided by this Section and to refund the same.
(7) To apply and contract for assistance from the United States or other public or private sources, whether in the form of a grant, guarantee, loan, or otherwise, or to serve and act in such capacities on behalf of a school board when necessary or desirable to apply for and accept such grants, guarantees, subsidies, loans, or other assistance.
(8) To make and execute contracts and other instruments necessary in the exercise of the powers and functions of the district under this Section, including contracts with persons, firms, corporations, and others.
(9) To pledge or assign any monies, fees, charges, or other revenues and any proceeds derived by the district from the sale of bonds and other contracts or rights of the district.
(10) To employ such employees, to make use of such persons as a school board may make available to the board for its use, and to employ or otherwise retain the services of accountants, financial advisors, underwriters, attorneys, and such other consultants as may be required in the judgment of the board and to fix and pay their compensation from funds available to the district therefor.
(11) To research, study, and develop plans and programs designed to assist the respective school boards and to review such plans and services as a respective school board may determine to accomplish any of the purposes or address any of the objectives or findings in this Section.
(12) To enter into a cooperative endeavor agreement with the respective school board to transfer all or any portion of the proceeds derived by a district from collections of the tax and the sale of bonds to the respective school board, to make grants and donations to, and to purchase any obligation of, the respective school board or enter into a cooperative endeavor agreement with any political subdivision of the state to accomplish any of the purposes, objectives, or findings in this Section.
(13) As security for the payment of any bonds issued hereunder and any agreements made in connection therewith, to pledge or mortgage all or any part of its revenues or properties as provided in the resolution or trust agreement authorizing such bonds.
(14) To accept the mortgage, pledge, hypothecation, assignment, grant, or donation of any properties of the school board.
(15) To exercise any and all other powers necessary to accomplish the purposes set forth herein.
(16) To invest its monies in accordance with law.
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Sales tax would allow everyone that benefits from a good school system to share in the tax.
There is already 2.5% sales tax collected by parish school board. (.5% might not be collected in walker and Springfield as possibly not in sub-district for some reason).
Couple areas including Watson area (school tax district 22 I think) are paying extra school sales tax for something on top of the 2.5% collected by parish school board.
Edit: saw this for school year 21-22
Collected almost $76.5 million in total sales tax revenue for school year that ended in summer of 2022 (originally budgeted for $66.9 million, increased to $74.5 million in final budget, and then audited financials listed actual collections at the $76.5 million).
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Sales and Use Taxes
The School Board receives a two and one-half percent sales and use tax. The sales and use tax is collected by the sales tax department of the School Board and is included in the revenues of the General Fund. The proceeds of the tax are dedicated to the payment of salaries of school teachers and other school employees; the payment of utilities; and constructing, maintaining or operating school buildings and other school related facilities, including the acquisition of sites.
In addition, on October 5, 2002, the voters in School Board District No. 22 approved a 1/2 percent sales and use tax for the purpose of constructing and acquiring a new elementary school and providing renovations and improvements to the existing buildings within the school district. Also, on September 18, 2004, the voters in School Board District No. 33 approved a one percent sales and use tax for the purpose of constructing and improving or renovating school buildings within the School District.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 5:25 pm to secondandshort
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Yes I believe the board did mull through the numbers and potential taxes. I listened to the LP tax assessor and the school board tax collector and both thought this was the most viable option.
When you say board which board are you talking about?
The parish school board or the board of the EFID that actually submitted the proposed authorization to voters to levy and collect the 1% Sales Tax increase?
I know the school board reportedly said the EFID’s board would mull over all local tax options which already seemed deceptive, but it would be deceitful if the actual EFID board really did all this knowing 1% sales tax is an EFID’s only local tax option it can submit to voters. It would comical if they did all this and didn’t know this.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 5:38 pm
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