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re: Have women bitten off more than they can chew w/(family courts/marriage/divorce)

Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:01 am to
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:01 am to
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There is no such thing as "woman's chores."


Would you give another man a foot massage?
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:01 am to
Is that a household chore?
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 10:02 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:02 am to
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or, they're in your "Friend Zone" never to be let out.


The counter-argument to this is that humans cannot choose who they’re attracted to or who they’re in love with. I can’t look at a woman who I find unattractive and will myself into actually being attracted to her. Those guys are in the friend zone for a reason: because she’s not attracted to them. Now, there may be some mental reasons why she isn’t or some physical reasons why he isn’t attractive to her that can be worked on, but in the moment, humans cannot control who they love or are sexually attracted to. Those are purely irrational feelings that we just have to deal with.

I think men often blame women for “friend-zoning” them as if it’s a conscious decision by the woman. Sure, the woman could agree to a “pity-date” in the hopes that somehow that guy magically becomes attractive to them, but that’s not very realistic. If he’s in the “fiend-zone”, something about him simply isn’t attractive to her, and that’s not really anyone’s fault.

Now, one can get in better shape or dress better to help avoid the friend zone. Women can develop better self-esteem and both can work out their issues in therapy so that what they’re attracted to isn’t an extension of previous trauma, but in the moment, who you’re attracted to is essentially a reflex, not a decision. It’s hard to blame people for a reflex.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 10:03 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72406 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:02 am to
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Hell, Gwen Stefani is having a baby in her 50’s. Women aren’t nearly as limited as men think we are. Or at least the ones in my circle aren’t.

Let me explain it to you from the medical viewpoint.

What you just described is so far outside the norm that it can’t even be considered an outlier.

It is an outlier of an outlier.

IVF is insanely expensive and not even remotely as successful as people believe.

It is ~55% if you are still in your childbearing age (< 35).

It hits ~25% at 40 years old and tanks to under 10% over the age of 40.
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:02 am to
90% of divorces between college educated partners are initiated by women.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:03 am to
Attraction for women is often a long game. It takes time to build comfort and confidence around them.

Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:05 am to
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The counter-argument to this is that humans cannot choose who they’re attracted to or who they’re in love with. I can’t look at a woman who I find unattractive and will myself into actually being attracted to her. Those guys are in the friend zone for a reason: because she’s not attracted to them. Now, there may be some mental reasons why she isn’t or some physical reasons why he isn’t attractive to her that can be worked on, but in the moment, humans cannot control who they love or are sexually attracted to. Those are purely irrational feelings that we just have to deal with.

I think men often blame women for “friend-zoning” them as if it’s a conscious decision by the woman. Sure, the woman could agree to a “pity-date” in the hopes that somehow that guy magically becomes attractive to them, but that’s not very realistic. If he’s in the “fiend-zone”, something about him simply isn’t attractive to her, and that’s not really anyone’s fault.

Now, one can get in better shape or dress better to help avoid the friend zone. Women can develop better self-esteem and work out their issues in therapy so that what they’re attracted to isn’t an extension of previous trauma, but in the moment, who you’re attracted to is essentially a reflex, not a decision. It’s hard to blame people for a reflex.



While agree with your overall premise some of this is women still playing hard to get. My coworker said her and her husband were in the same friend group and she turned him down multiple times before going out with him because he was just a friend. Now they are married with 3 kids.

And i find there are plenty of women still playing this game well into their 30s.


Posted by Cosmo
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:05 am to
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Not working gives too much time for idle minds, which can lead to much worse stuff to deal with


Seems like if women cheat its some dude they met at work
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:07 am to
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what would you do if you lived alone?
pay a Mexican woman to handle it
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67292 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:07 am to
So, you’re saying that they can not be attracted to you physically at all, will themselves into spending time with you to get to know you, and then become attracted to you by becoming comfortable and familiar?

I think this only works when a woman already sees a guy as right on the line between datable and not. If she wants nothing below a 7, and he’s like a 6.5, I can see that working. However, she’s not going to have the patience to go through that process with a 5, and he’s not capable of displaying enough value to jump up to a 7 in her eyes. If this was the case, the friend zone simply wouldn’t exist because men would be easily capable of graduating from it through persistence and self-improvement. The fact that such is so incredibly rare leads me to believe that it’s just not a feasible strategy for most men.

I think the bigger issue is that men don’t value female friendships. Sure, being friends with an attractive woman isn’t as appealing as boning her, but one can get a ton out of a good friendship with a woman that shares a lot of common interests. Plus, female friends make for the best wingmen.

As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned not to be embittered by women who would rather be a friend than a romantic partner. I’ve learned that I’d rather be a friend than a romantic partner to a lot of women as well. Two people can have a decent amount of compatibility for a friendship but have shite compatibility for a relationship. Chemistry isn’t that rare, and doesn’t mean you have to have a romantic relationship with that person. Learning this has improved my life significantly.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72406 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:08 am to
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Now what’s the rates for men that do it? That was my point. At least that’s my stance on it. She didn’t have any kids or other health issues (other than mental ). I guess I just look at it from a different angle than most, for sure
Lower than it is for women.

The cohort among all demographics with the highest rate of divorce happens to be women with 10 or more sexual partners in their past.

I can’t find the data for men right now, but if you extrapolate out that the majority of divorces are initiated by women, these results aren’t surprising.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263218 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:09 am to
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So, you’re saying that they can not be attracted to you physically at all


No, i'm saying there's something else that captures them beyond physical looks. Women judge men far differently than we judge them.

Looks attract, they aren't going to necessarily make a good spouse. Neither is money, nor social standing..

This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 10:10 am
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69365 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:10 am to
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MFer, what would you do if you lived alone?


Bruh they dont clean.

Some of my single friends think im a neat freak because i dont have skid marks in the toilet or dont leave dirty dishes in the sink.

Im so far from it but i just dont see a point in having a dirty kitchen where i fricking make my food.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:14 am to
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Is that a household chore?


Yes.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263218 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:14 am to
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If she wants nothing below a 7


Dating a woman with that kind of "system" is a losing proposition. I wouldn't marry a shallow woman if I were a 10 myself.

Dudes want high maintenance women, then they complain about high maintenance women. There's an escape...

I will say Type A is better off with type A. Two materialistic, linear types are probably better off together than with someone who doesn't think like they do.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67292 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:16 am to
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Looks attract, they aren't going to necessarily make a good spouse.


Looks get you in the door, compatibility keeps you talking, dedication, respect, and habits keep you together. However, you can’t start the conversation without mutual physical attraction. It doesn’t have to be the strongest attraction, but there’s got to be some at the start or you’ll never make it to the next stage.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32738 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:19 am to
well that's just intellectual dishonesty.

But sure, tell your wife, after both of you return home from a long day at work, that you aren't going to help cook, clean, or fold laundry on the off chance that someone breaks into your house tonight.

That and pushing a lawnmower once a week for 7 months out of the year sounds like a pretty even split.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:19 am to
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As for the girls, many of them are putting this stage off and focusing on their careers.


In 2023, Society/Media/Hollywood is focused ENTIRELY on the needs and wants of women.

It has given birth to this crazy "Princess" fantasy where a woman can do anything she wants with zero repercussions and at the end of the day, still have it all.

It has gotten to the point where Society views men as nothing more than a punchline , while women, no matter how slovenly, stupid or worthless they might be, are Superheros with zero faults.

This is a great detriment to inter-sex relationships and Civilization at large.

Part of me feels bad for the idiots who gobble up this fantasy, part of me feels like posting a Nelson Munz MEME.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67292 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:20 am to
That rating system isn’t a conscious decision. It’s just an over-simplification of how their subconscious is instantaneously evaluating potential romantic partners. A shallow person is one who has a conscious checklist of physical criteria. However, your brain has its own agenda, and can be shallow too even if your conscious brain thinks you aren’t. That’s why what women SAY they want in a partner is so completely different from whom they’re attracted to. It’s not that they’re lying, they legitimately don’t know because they have control over who they decide to say they’re attracted to, but don’t have any control over what actually attracts them.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10340 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 10:22 am to
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strung along by some dude
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begging to get it
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long term relationships
Too many people, men and women waste a lot of time with someone who is showing them obvious signs they’re not interested in the long haul or them. A great book is “He’s Just Not That Into You”. Find someone who is.
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