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re: There has to be more to the story on this basketball team
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:30 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 1/27/23 at 8:30 am to WaWaWeeWa
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They played Kansas state to the buzzer and probably should have won if not for the refs. Kansas State is a very good team.
I dont think a couple "playing up to your opponent" games overrides a half dozen games we had to sweat out against really bad teams in the non-conference. Yes it's good we didnt get blown out by Wake and KSU, but looking at the bigger picture of:
UMKC = 74-63 (was 66-61 game with 5:37 left)
Ark St = 61-52
Wofford = 78-75
UT-Arlington = 63-59
NCCU = 67-57
Winthrop = 89-81
East TN St = 72-68
We truly had to sweat out a LOT of games against some very mediocre to very bad teams this year. Tells me this was probably just a very bad team from the start who got up big for a few games. I mean sure every team almost time ot time might have a closer than expected game against a much worse opponent, but it happened literally like 7 times to us. The Akron game isnt even on there and that was a 55-49 game with 8 minutes to go and we thankfully pulled away in that one.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 8:33 am
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 12:30 pm to thunderbird1100
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We truly had to sweat out a LOT of games against some very mediocre to very bad teams this year. Tells me this was probably just a very bad team from the start who got up big for a few games. I mean sure every team almost time ot time might have a closer than expected game against a much worse opponent, but it happened literally like 7 times to us. The Akron game isnt even on there and that was a 55-49 game with 8 minutes to go and we thankfully pulled away in that one.
I prefer to look at it this way. Up until the Texas A&M game, LSU played only four teams on their schedule that were top 50 teams - and they played all four of them within about a 5 week span.
And they played up in all of them. They've since played worse teams IMHO than that in Florida and A&M (that's right I think A&M will settle back to the mean by year's end) and looked much worse and played much worse.
Something's different. Folks who say this is who we've been all along I'm sorry that's just not correct IMHO. The last 6 games there has been a tangible regression and blaming on talent is dare I say lazy and convenient. It ain't just that. At least not in my opinion.
they can't hit a shot, can't hit a layup....well I can tell you it wasn't nearly that bad earlier even against the better competition....not saying they were all stars but they were doing the little things, hell everything better...including shooting and layups.
I'm telling you it's more. Talent is part of it but not near as much as many believe IMHO.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 2:18 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
"We played well the first three games"
The first six or eight games, Miller could throw it up blindfolded and it went in the hoop, from all over the court.
When SEC play started it's as if he lost his sight. I was shocked. He has been terrible. He can't make routine shots in front of the basket.
The first six or eight games, Miller could throw it up blindfolded and it went in the hoop, from all over the court.
When SEC play started it's as if he lost his sight. I was shocked. He has been terrible. He can't make routine shots in front of the basket.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 2:27 pm to Gus007
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The first six or eight games, Miller could throw it up blindfolded and it went in the hoop, from all over the court.
When SEC play started it's as if he lost his sight. I was shocked. He has been terrible. He can't make routine shots in front of the basket.
Miller started missing from three pretty early on, much earlier than right at conference play.
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He started off really hot going 4 for 9 in each the first 2 games. Then he went 1 for 7 in game 3 and 1 for 5 in game 4. Had a 5 for 9 game against Akron after that but then went to a 2 for 8 game against KSU. Wofford back to good at 6 for 9, since then:
UT-A = 2 for 7
Wake = 1 for 6
NCCU = 0 for 8
Winthrop = 2 for 10
ETSU = 0 for 5
So he had a number of stinkers before conference play and in that first 6-8 game stretch when he did have good games.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:20 pm to Madking
So he's Wade without the talent? 
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:26 pm to ErnMcCracken
No
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:15 am to Alt26
quote:So the AD at Indiana should not have told Bobby Knight not to throw chairs out on the court, hit players and get in fights with other teams fans? The boss always has the right to tell you what to do. Sure you can tell him to go to hell and get fired. Happens all the time.
There is no AD in America who would tell their HC how to coach. And if there was, I would hope the HC would tell the AD to frick off, or walk out of the door to a new job. No coach should allow an AD to dictate his on court coaching demeanor. Ever.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:22 am to lsucrazy
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schools that don't even have football are competitive in basketball
And schools that win national championships in football also win national championships in basketball the same years! Cf. Florida in the years 2006-2008. They were at to pinnacle of success in both sports, simultaneously
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:28 am to JTA1985
Maybe the story is we just aren't very good.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:21 am to Madking
nobody asked you madqueen
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:08 pm to Tom Bronco
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Coach is always ultimately responsible. That's why they get the big bucks. But to say the players are great and McMahon sucks is stupid.
Well, look who said it
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madking
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:21 pm to Alt26
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if you are McMahon you just CAN'T lose this game!
many of the posts in this thread pointed to the TT game as the indicator. Well now that we saw them compete and fail once again, what is the thought? Texas Tech does not have better individual talent, but they do have a better team. The biggest disappointment to me is that Hill played so many minutes. He is clearly unable to provide anything. He should be at the end of the bench in favor of every other ball handler on the roster. Dribbling off of your foot with minimal ball pressure during crunch time is the smfh moment of the season. Question is.....why was he on the floor when he wasnt even on the team 10 days ago??
Did McMahon just sit there with his arms folded for 40 minutes prior to this season? He looks defeated already
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:30 pm to Shaq4prez
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Well now that we saw them compete and fail once again, what is the thought?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:07 pm to Shaq4prez
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what is the thought?
That this job may be too big for him (at least right now).
In his 7 years as the Murray State HC they didn't play very many major conf. opponents. And he only beat one, a 2 point victory @ Memphis last season. Now part of that is likely because a lot of major conf. opponents probably didn't want to schedule Murray St. But, virtually his entire career to this point has been at the mid major level. He played at App. St., where he also was an assistant. He then was an assistant at UNC Wilmington and Murray before becoming the HC.
The caliber of athlete it takes to win consistently at the major conf. level is different. As is, I'm sure, the recruiting. You're not trying to find diamonds in the rough to develop. You are in a knife fight (where you leave morality at the door) battling for players who (even before NIL) ALL have their hands out for something. He's having to recruit and coach against a caliber of player he's never really had to play or coach against. Your stagger screen against Illinois St. may work great. Not so much when the opponent has a 6'7 forward with a tremendous wingspan to close out even if he doesn't defend the case fundamentally well.
I was very encouraged with McMahon's signing class this past season that recruiting wouldn't be an issue. However, the two signees (while not bad) aren't move the needle type guys. Then, the freshmen this year have done virtually nothing. Reed hasn't gotten better at all and the other two simply don't play. Given the nature of the game today, it wouldn't be a surprise to see all leave after the season. Then it could be a situation of him starting almost in the same position as last year before going into next season with a worse roster. If he can't figure out how to compete at this level with this roster (who should at least be competitive) then what is going to happen with a worse roster?
Unless he leaves on his own accord he will get, at least, one more season (likely more). But standing here today looking at the program it is hard to find something to latch on to which gives you hope for better days ahead.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:22 pm to Alt26
He and WW coach about the same imo.
No idea and street ball
The only difference is that WW could recruit.
I think we have to give McMahon at least two years to see if he can at least put a street ball team with talent on the floor. Fortunately, BB only requires 2-3 really good players to win. LSU presently has ZERO. If those freshmen are any good at all, I think he should be starting them, just to try to keep them from leaving. Who cares if any of the starters leave? Freshmen can get bigger and better possibly. McMahon should get two years to work the portal and HS to see what he can pull to LSU. If he can't get it done, just let Mulkey coach both and pay her. No one wants to watch the crap we are putting on the floor presently, and LSU fans proved the other night they will fill the arena when good, winning basketball is played.
No idea and street ball
The only difference is that WW could recruit.
I think we have to give McMahon at least two years to see if he can at least put a street ball team with talent on the floor. Fortunately, BB only requires 2-3 really good players to win. LSU presently has ZERO. If those freshmen are any good at all, I think he should be starting them, just to try to keep them from leaving. Who cares if any of the starters leave? Freshmen can get bigger and better possibly. McMahon should get two years to work the portal and HS to see what he can pull to LSU. If he can't get it done, just let Mulkey coach both and pay her. No one wants to watch the crap we are putting on the floor presently, and LSU fans proved the other night they will fill the arena when good, winning basketball is played.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:40 pm to QB
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He and WW coach about the same imo.
No idea and street ball
The only difference is that WW could recruit.
So Wade, who often had tremendous offenses simply played "street ball". However, McMahon, who has a horrible offense this season also plays "street ball". Can anyone actually define "street ball" and tell everyone here what is NOT street ball?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:55 pm to Alt26
The people who say "street ball" (like QB) have no idea what they are supposed to see beyond the ball going in the hoop. It's the only way they voice frustration because they don't know what they are looking at
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:13 pm to QB
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He and WW coach about the same imo. No idea and street ball
Lol….when he was hired he was praised as being far superior to Wade in Xs and Os. You were probably one of the same retards who would complain after every non-conference loss that we weren’t going to make the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:23 pm to QB
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He and WW coach about the same imo. No idea and street ball.
Your opinion sucks. The vast majority of you "street ball" morons have a low basketball IQ and think you're an expert after just watching a handful of games all year.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:14 pm to Jack Crevalle
quote:You’re giving them too much credit.
after just watching a handful of games all year
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