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Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:43 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:This sounds nice in a vacuum.
Every starting QB in the playoffs went to their school out of high school.
4 of 5 QBs of P5 champion teams went to their school out of high school. The only exception is Cam Rising at Utah played at Texas as a freshman.
Out of 10 QBs in P5 conference championship games, 7 signed out of high school.
LSU has started Mett (transfer from UGA), Etling (transfer from Purdue), Burrow (transfer from Ohio State), and now Daniels (transfer from Arizona State) in the last 10 yrs. That's 2 SEC West champs, an SEC and national champ.
Oklahoma had a run of Heisman candidates when Lincoln Riley was there. Mayfield and Murray both won, Hurts went to New York. All were transfers.
You can survive quite well taking in transfers, if you get the right ones.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:01 am to Yeti_Chaser
quote:
It's a valid point. Freshman QBs suck anyway. Just recruit transfers and you should be ok
Exactly what is happening everywhere. That’s why I don’t get the melt of most on this board. LSU could get a transfer QB that would contribute more toward winning next year than Walker.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:13 am to OKtiger
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They’re staying and developing at Alabama and Georgia, so idk what the frick the rest of the schools are doing
Not really, some are staying and developing and some are transferring. From the 10 year period of 2013-2022:
Alabama has signed 12 QBs, 7 have transferred out (includes Jalen Hurts to OU), 3 turned pro (includes Bryce Young) and 2 still in school.
Georgia has signed 10 HS QBs and taken 2 transfers, 5 transferred out, 3 graduated, 1 opted out in Covid year and 3 are still in school.
All but 3 of the 24 QBs were 4 or 5 star commits/transfers.
Of the 24 OBs:
1. 50% or exactly half transferred out of the programs.
2. 4 turned pro with eligibility remaining
3. 2 exhausted eligibility at signing school
4. 1 opted out of playing
5. 5 still at signing school (with Vandergriff (UGA) and Milroe (UA) on transfer alert in the near future).
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:17 am to Scatback1
I kind of agree here. Unless you have a QB you KNOW will start in his first or second year, it’s most likely a waste.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 3:47 am to Yeti_Chaser
Kind of looks that way.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:23 am to Scatback1
Every QB out of HS thinks they are the next burrow or Lamar jackson. The days of Qb's waiting a year or 2 to learn the system are over. This will be the norm sign 5 star Qb freshman . If he doesnt start right away will be in transfer portal a year later. Top Qb's have been since 7th/8th grade you are the best and to have them hold a clipboard for a year or two is to humbling.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:27 am to Scatback1
I remember a streak of about 3 straight years where La Tech did this and the results were pretty good for their standards. One of them was Jeff Driskel from Florida.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:30 am to OceanMan
You would bet better depth from the portal.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:31 am to Scatback1
Even before the transfer portal, OU/Riley showed us this.
I mean hell, LSU 2019 wasn't helmed by a guy we recruited out of HS
I mean hell, LSU 2019 wasn't helmed by a guy we recruited out of HS
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:37 am to FLObserver
Yep... And let them burn use the red shirt and the 1 time portal transfer before coming to LSU. Walker id about a local as you get, and has family ties...If he can't sit 2 years to play, why recruit High School QBs.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:43 am to grizzlylongcut
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Stetson Bennett would look like Brandon frickin Harris if he was anywhere else.
You just admitted you don't watch much football or keep up with player transfers. There were several highly rated QBs at Georgia at the time Bennett came in. Why din't they succeed? They were playing with the same teammates? Bennett saved their bacon several times in close games. He is a warrior and more talented than he is given credit.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:54 am to Scatback1
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Why Bother recruiting High School Quarterbacks?
Because finding a few QBs that you feel you can bring into your system and have success from hundreds of recruits has a higher probability of paying off than hoping that one QB that meets your needs enters the transfer portal and then chooses your school.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:02 am to Scatback1
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Why Bother recruiting High School Quarterbacks?
Good point. Its getting to the point why bother recruiting anyone out of the region maybe even out of state.
If they dont win the job someone is going to offer them a check, promise playing time and say its closer to home too.
Certainly LSU will have to continue to recruit OOS because some of them will start and are top prospects. But, locking down your fertile recruiting grounds will become more and more important. Roster Management skills will also be critical or u could find yourself with a scrub or 2 out there in a few games. Fluid!
The portal will be a big advantage to the big successful programs. LSU is sitting pretty in the long run.
Anyone still question bringing in a Brian Kelly to steer this Goliath thru all this?
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:11 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Every starting QB in the playoffs went to their school out of high school. 4 of 5 QBs of P5 champion teams went to their school out of high school. The only exception is Cam Rising at Utah played at Texas as a freshman. Out of 10 QBs in P5 conference championship games, 7 signed out of high school.
Yep.
OP has a legit question but you answered it with a legit answer.
You have to recruit all positions in high school.
Ncaa/portal/nil is a frikin mess
Cbk has handled it very well.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:15 am to Scatback1
You still need to recruit them but you can be a bit more selective and not just take one to take one like you used to have to.
The one thing that is for sure is you can only look at your QB situation year to year. You just need to focus on who is the best guy for the next season then worry about the following season when it is done.
The one thing that is for sure is you can only look at your QB situation year to year. You just need to focus on who is the best guy for the next season then worry about the following season when it is done.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:20 am to Scatback1
quote:There is some logic to this.
Why Bother recruiting High School Quarterbacks?
What's the point?
If you are going to go for the "future starting QB" out of high school you start developing them as a starter day 1 and see what happens. If they develop faster than expected, yay! Play them. You have to have a truly open and objective QB competition every spring AND fall to do this.
If you are not committed to ALL of that, then you are better off going to the portal.
The downside is that you increase risk because that guy might not be there when you need him.
And it takes a year to integrate them even if their name is Burrow.
So it seems to me the best, i.e. less risky route, is to get your QB out of HS and use such things as analysts and 3rd party consultants to jumpstart his development while your coaches focus on the task at hand (getting your #1 & #2 QBs game ready).
I see portal QBs as being "opportunistic"- if the opportunity is there do it. Not one you plan on. But you can't, these days, lack development progress for redshirt years just because they are redshirt years. Redshirt years are now just leverage in the portal. The chances of a redshirt year benefitting the team signed with are much much lower than it used to be.
ETA: Don't forget there are NCAA rules on practice time and there is, literally, limited time you can devote to each individual. You have to find "alternate" routes if that time is used up, e.g. having #1 & #2 game ready.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:43 am to Yeti_Chaser
quote:
It's a valid point. Freshman QBs suck anyway. Just recruit transfers and you should be ok
All the schools that aren’t in the top tier of powerhouses are going to serve as a minor league training ground for them. Then when the QB has some playing experience, or proves he’s good, they will poach him.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:47 am to Scatback1
It is still worth so much having someone grow up in your system that can step in to be a 2 year starter. FOr top tier programs, the pendulum will swing back from this crazy crap show to one where top tier recruits will value development.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:52 am to TooSober
I say why not just recruit 5 star guys out of high school that can compete for playing time on day 1. The recruiting class may be only 3 or 4 players after signing day. Then we pick up ~30 studs from the portal that we tamper with and get Gordon to throw a lot of money their way.
Sure our high school class will be ranked near last in the country, but the overall class will still be top 5 with the entire class ready to contribute from day 1.
Sure our high school class will be ranked near last in the country, but the overall class will still be top 5 with the entire class ready to contribute from day 1.
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