re: Aren't all these Republican doomsdayers just proving our point?

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Yet the insane Groomer agenda continues to move forward

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In Congress?

Or in localities that become amplified by coordinated media outlets?

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I have to assume the majority of Dims are ok with the insanity or the Groomer agenda would stall.

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Well you've had to define the "Groomer agenda" superficially, but then also show data on this point.

Yes, it's popular in urban areas. You know who doesn't live in urban areas? Non-leftists. You're just arguing that areas you already don't agree with are...acting in ways you don't agree with. It's just being amplified to you based on your selected content and friend group.

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Because the policy preferences of the population of America falls within that overlap

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Is it though? I'm a guy that before the last few years would have been firmly Center Right, but definitely much more moderate than many here. I'd agree that a large portion of the country falls in-between the furthest ends of the spectrum.

I'm arguing that at this point there are far more people outside of that middle than there used to be, for whatever reason. By now, it may be a Third Right Wing, Third Center and Third Left Wing. It's false to suggest either end represent a "fringe" now. Those people are largely being ignored on The Right, whereas they have essentially taken hold of the Dem party. So when "deals" are made, it's between moderate Republicans and far left Dems. This is what has consistently shifted the Overton window Leftward, not necessarily because it's what "we" want. And every time it happens, The Right stands there wondering WTF just happened and why their elected officials no longer represent them.

Hell...take our own Bill Cassidy as an example. In no way is he representing the will of this people of this state that elected him. He did not run on any of the things he's recently done, and had he he'd have not won his last race. To suggest he's representing the current will of his constituents is wrong, and I'd suggest that goes for many current elected officials.

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all other places are virtuous and consist of well balanced and nuanced discussion and this place is some outlier.

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I’ll refer back to noted Trump-tard and raging conservative Glen Greenwald.

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They're just too thoughtful, too intellectually feisty to be controlled. They're guided by science and the values of the Enlightenment. They're profoundly individualistic and can't be herded or controlled.

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There’s a pretty good amount of disagreement concerning the 20 on “this board”. A true echo chamber is DU; this place just has a hard lean.

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Because the policy preferences of the population of America falls within that overlap

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So is poll data false?

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I suppose what is interesting about it is this is a group of self selecting participants in discussion that you might expect to be more balanced since it isn't "organized" or being "controlled" by some broadcasting group or outside influence.

The fact that it is such an echo chamber seems rather odd even though we know LSU fans are for the most part fairly "conservative"

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I see it as opposite. Given the near complete capture of Legacy Media, education, entertainment, sports, etc by The Left, it makes perfect sense that there would be pockets of dissident thought that pops up in places. Much like Leftists media created Rush Limbaugh, so to did it create this place. If there was actual balanced reporting and far less institutional capture by one political ideology, this place would be completely unneeded.

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Though it is true in the sense that they are almost all criminals, stealing from the citizens to enrich themselves.

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Well yeah.

They're also all narcissistic sociopaths

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So is poll data false?

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Well 2016, 2018, and 2020 showed there are issues , but what specific poll data are you referring to?

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No, but that's how it's being framed by the coordinated outlets that you (and those in your echo chamber) follow. It's what they call a self fulfilling prophecy. The 20 have framed this to produce just the thought experiment in your head. It's all they have because they are such a small minority they have no real power. The "GOP and Democrats are the same" meme is one of the dumbest thing ever repeated on this board. It's something that only people who shelter themselves and don't ever actually engage with any Leftists would believe. The danger of following this stupidity is that you ARE going to allow Leftism more power and more power quickly. Of course, radicals will just spin this within the same meme and the useful idiots will eat it up.

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Well said.

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The fact that you had to cherry pick 3 people might be a good example of them not being the same

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I could have used more like Snow, Cassidy, and Cheney. I could go on but I am pressed for time. I have to go work unlike you and your progressive brethren.