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re: Aren't all these Republican doomsdayers just proving our point?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Allowing the extremists to hijack the party and committees won't end well.
This statement is subjective, emotional and intended to get people to punch at the sky.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:20 am to Turbeauxdog
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Roe legalized late term abortions
I'm saying most democrats are opposed to late term abortions which is true
Rendering your comment meaningless since it did nothing to refute mine
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:20 am to Powerman
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liberal court
Just say left authoritarian , there are no liberals.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Via Congressional act?
Or are these more localized issues?
You're asking if federal spending and the open border are local issues, rather than congressional?
Wokeism (race, tranny, climate stuff) is absolutely in the federal gov't's/Congress's purview. Not exclusively like spending and the border, but look at recent big spending bills and it's littered with wokeism.
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I imagine over half the country would disagree with this, post-Hobbs.
You just got done being critical of an echo chamber that exists on this board, and then, as an attorney no less, you argue that Hobbs is an Evangelical social conservative policy as opposed to a legal matter, correctly called by SCOTUS.
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How, specifically?
Trust me, Democrats do not agree with this statement.
How specifically? Have you been awake that last few years? Did you see Republicans in congress fight tooth/nail to curb the radically out of control spending? Do you think Republicans, now in control of the House, will demand the pentagon back up some of its wokeism or suffer budget cuts? Do you think the FBI/DOJ will be held to account for politically-driven prosecution of their remits? Where have Republicans stood up and fought like hell against anything the Dems have done recently?
Why would Democrats ever agree with that statement Conservatives agree with that statement, and we're not talking about a fringe on the Right.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:21 am to Powerman
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I'm saying most democrats are opposed to late term abortions which is true
Completely inconsistent with most democrats support roe which legalized late term abortion.
If you're saying most democrats are ignorant. I agree with you.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 8:22 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:21 am to Turbeauxdog
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liberal court
Just say left authoritarian , there are no liberals.
After all these years, most people still use the word Liberal incorrectly. Bothers the shite out of me.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:24 am to 3nOut
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but a lack of saying "this is bullshite" is telling as well.
It's an unnecessary risk.
One thing the GOP has a big problem is avoiding unnecessary risks, especially in the "muh fight" age of Trump. The GOP could frick up a wet dream and have derailed many campaigns by simply not shutting up.
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you say "why is this relevant?" it's relevant because i don't take the opinion of somebody who is good with this lunacy seriously.
You only get to vote for 1 Rep and 2 Senators.
Like I said, these tranny scenarios are pretty much all local issues and have nothing to do with Congress. Focus any attention at the appropriate level.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're framing an argument based on logical leaps :lol; And I thought you actually had specific polls to reference
You’re trying to deflect because you know there isn’t a poll in existence currently where a majority of Americans think the country is headed in the right direction, which destroys your assertion that policy overlap from R’s & D’s is due to Congress doing what it’s constituents want.
Nonsense
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:26 am to GumboPot
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This statement is subjective, emotional and intended to get people to punch at the sky
What?
Rigging elections to give extremists more opportunity to win isn't going to end well for the GOP.
There's nothing emotional or subjective about that.
Same with committees. You give too many of these people perceived legitimacy and actual power, and you can't put the bullet back into the chamber once that trigger is pulled.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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After all these years, most people still use the word Liberal incorrectly. Bothers the shite out of me.
For what it’s worth, its use as a descriptor for one political side in this country really seems to be waning. I see it less and less as time goes on.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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And there is the same shite going on with Patriot-approved media-content outlets.
lol, no it’s not…
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EVERY time they adopted a new identity, magically, this became the "real GOP"
I think that people have adapted and changed based on the environment they are in. Almost all republicans supported the war in Afghanistan. 20 years later, untold trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and discovering that weapons of mass destruction was a lie has changed people’s opinions of that engagement. If you’re stupid enough to think that our involvement is about freedom and Liberty, then you are an idiot.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:32 am to David_DJS
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You just got done being critical of an echo chamber that exists on this board, and then, as an attorney no less, you argue that Hobbs is an Evangelical social conservative policy as opposed to a legal matter, correctly called by SCOTUS.
My personal analysis/opinion and how the population as a whole see Hobbs are 2 different things.
You can push the "it's only states rights" meme as much as you want, but the people trying to do this on a larger scaled failed at framing the narrative that way, nationally.
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Did you see Republicans in congress fight tooth/nail to curb the radically out of control spending?
No, because that's a campaign talking point that constituents like as words but not when it affects them.
Only extremists like me want real spending reductions. Everyone else only wants them as long as they don't affect them, personally.
I'll give you an example. I want to end Social Security and Medicare, today. Stop taxing for it and stop spending it. And I don't expect to be given back any money already taxed from me. THAT is not typically acceptable as a policy and is the perfect example of why "reduce spending" never works in practice.
Trump had the #1 or #2 largest spending term in US history. Wasn't spending one of his major issues, too? See what happens when you actually have to govern?
People don't want less federal spending. They want to say they want less, but when teh rubber meets the road? Naw.
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Do you think the FBI/DOJ will be held to account for politically-driven prosecution of their remits?
How do you plan to accomplish this?
Theater (aka investigations)?
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Where have Republicans stood up and fought like hell against anything the Dems have done recently?
muh fight
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:33 am to ItNeverRains
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You’re trying to deflect b
I'm not deflecting. I asked for specifics and you framed a compound question based on a bunch of assumptions.
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you know there isn’t a poll in existence currently where a majority of Americans think the country is headed in the right direction,
That's pretty standard.
Just like every poll will have a disfavorable view of Congress.
The problem is these exist when DEMs and the GOP are in power, so they don't tell us anything.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:35 am to jnethe1
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I think that people have adapted and changed based on the environment they are in.
Or what shiny new group is out there, sure.
That's irrelevant to my point. You can't change what "real GOP" means and criticize people who didn't change with you. You're something new now.
This really amplified when a non-Republican in Trump ran as the GOP candidate and people now pretend that's what the GOP really has been. No.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Rigging elections to give extremists more opportunity to win
Rigging and extreme.
Definitely not emotional
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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My personal analysis/opinion and how the population as a whole see Hobbs are 2 different things.
You can push the "it's only states rights" meme as much as you want, but the people trying to do this on a larger scaled failed at framing the narrative that way, nationally.
But we're not discussing whether or not Republican voters are the same as Democrat voters. So my argument is the relevant one, and yours is dodging.
There is no Evangelical social conservative movement that's got any sort of traction in the federal government. Which is very unlike all the Lefty BS mentioned.
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Only extremists like me want real spending reductions. Everyone else only wants them as long as they don't affect them, personally.
If what you mean by "extremist" is a large contingent nearly exclusively to the Right of center, then okay.
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Trump had the #1 or #2 largest spending term in US history. Wasn't spending one of his major issues, too? See what happens when you actually have to govern?
Get out of your echo chamber, bro, and stop imagining Trump is not GOPe. He is an example that supports my argument, not yours.
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How do you plan to accomplish this?
Theater (aka investigations)?
Take their money away would work. Won't happen because, as I'm arguing in this exchange, Republicans are too much like Democrats. But it should happen.
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muh fight
Well, what should a party be doing that is diametrically opposed to what the other party (in control) is trying to pass? Fight? Tussle? Call it what you want but putting up little opposition is consistent with my argument.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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You can't change what "real GOP" means and criticize people who didn't change with you. You're something new now. This really amplified when a non-Republican in Trump ran as the GOP candidate and people now pretend that's what the GOP really has been. No.
That depends on what the GOP officially claims to be. Trump snuck in, not because voters decided that the GOP now meant this or that, but because the party (at the federal level) frequently ignored its own platform. Damned straight they can and should be criticized for that.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Or what shiny new group is out there, sure.
Nope.
People have seen that their representatives will lie to them and pretend that they share their constituents values, only to get elected and do absolutely nothing they said they would do to get elected.
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That's irrelevant to my point. You can't change what "real GOP" means and criticize people who didn't change with you. You're something new now.
The values of the gop hasn’t changed, but everyone knows after multiple times of being lied to that gop representatives do not care about being honest at all.
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This really amplified when a non-Republican in Trump ran as the GOP candidate and people now pretend that's what the GOP really has been. No.
Lmao, alright gop gatekeeper…
Tell us all who in your opinion perfectly embodies the gop. What representative is your favorite?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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You can push the "it's only states rights" meme
Definitely not emotional
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:02 am to Turbeauxdog
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Rigging and extreme.
Definitely not emotional
Stating reality isn't emotional. Your temper tantrum though?
They are extremists in that they're a very small group demanding extreme things (like disproportionate power)
If the GOP gives up, they open the door for this small group to rig election in their favor. That's the point of the demand.
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