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re: Utah Republican Senator Mike Lee Introduces Bill to Outlaw All Porn Nationwide
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:48 am to Tigahs24Seven
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:48 am to Tigahs24Seven
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Kids have unfettered access on their phones
That isn't the federal government's problem to solve.
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:49 am to oklahogjr
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Then he should simply start the conversation or propose something to address that. Don't waste the time to draft a bad bill that's clearly insane...
That's not how this works. Forest. Trees. All that.
BILLS usually force a public debate on the floor of Congress.
What's insane is being a legislator -- voting for Ukraine aid -- NOT standing by doing absolutely nothing with the knowledge that there's an active epidemic where 7 and 8 years olds and their friends are addicted to watching porn unfettered on their iPhones after school -- instead of playing baseball or doing normal kid-stuff.
And don't look to a DEMOCRAT to force this issue in Congress as the nation's morals go the hell in a handbasket.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:49 am to EKG
quote:All law is legislated morality. It's a government-sponsored moral code established to tell citizens what they should and should not do; laws regulate behavior under the guise of national (or local) morality.
I’m not sure I would concede that justice = morality; tho I’m open to listening to an argument claiming such.
But for discussion’s sake … I’ll go with the premise.
Without justice, however, we have anarchy.
A functional court system dealing with crimes against humanity seems like a far reach from one man’s legislation aimed at protecting couples from their personal intimacy issues.
Just my opinion.
When you say that justice is different because without it, we have anarchy, you are just describing a reason for why the legal morality exists, and saying prevention of anarchy is a valid reason for that sort of moral standard. Justice is not about anarchy (or at least, not primarily about it) but about legal retribution and restoration (where possible) due for a violation of rights.
Even justice has a moral underpinning: society believes it is a moral good to give according to what is deserved. It's why there are outcries at the perception of injustice, and those outcries aren't necessarily because they believe it results in anarchy, but because of the immorality of injustice. People know it's "wrong" for people to not get what they deserve when it comes to justice, whether that be punishment or acquittal, based on the particular case.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:50 am to the808bass
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So, no government regulation on “hard” drugs.
There isn’t a uniform answer on drugs. Many of those drugs do pose a risk to the safety and health of other people.
Distribution and possession with intent to distribute of those drugs such as fentanyl, heroin, etc being illegal is fine with me. I do not think personal possession or consumption should be.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:50 am to EKG
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Parents can (and should) monitor/block cell phone settings.
I agree. Even though most kids know better how to get around and hide things on their phone than their parents at this point...
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And schools can do the same with their networks.
I would imagine that they do...
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This is not government’s lane.
Eh, while I don't agree with an attempt to ban it, I really do not see why all porn cannot be put under a .porn to make it easier to restrict and monitor the access of minors...
Kids watching porn can and does have a detrimental affect on them, especially mentally...
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:51 am to EKG
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It’s not the government’s role to play morality police.
Actually it is. Laws against murder and rape are based on enforcing morality, but we have to figure out where to draw the line. This is an unenforceable law and a waste of time.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:52 am to The Maj
quote:defining it is problem number one.
I really do not see why all porn
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:52 am to the_truman_shitshow
Must. Tell. People. How. To. Live.
Choices are for chumps.
Choices are for chumps.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:53 am to the_truman_shitshow
Meanwhile, Utah is among the nations top porn consumers.
Just criminalize porn and groomer books targeting children.
Just criminalize porn and groomer books targeting children.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:53 am to Alt26
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Porn didn't ruin anything.
For whom?
It's a character and spiritual toxin. It is dopamine facilitator and addictive. This is scientifically proven.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:54 am to Indefatigable
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defining it is problem number one.
Not really if you went with an anything above an "R" rating in a theater approach... That leg work has pretty much already been done... It would at least be a start...
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:55 am to Indefatigable
quote:That's a philosophical discussion that we probably disagree on to some extent, but let's limit this to minors (children under 18). If the government has the "right" to regulate behavior for minors (smoking, drinking, sex with adults, buying guns, etc.), then there certainly exists precedent for regulation of pornography to prevent access by minors.
The government has no business regulating individual behavior that does not impinge on the rights, property, and/or security of other people.
And by the way, government regulates access and usage of all sorts of things for adults, too.
quote:You're right. Murder kills the body while porn can and does often times kill the soul.
There’s a clear, common sense line there. Regulating porn-viewing and murder being illegal are not analogous.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:55 am to AggieHank86
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Libs or SoCons, Statists gonna statist.
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Excluding children from a strip club is more a matter of "morals" than physical protection, so it is a much closer call. I would probably exercise that coercive authority there, also.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:56 am to ibldprplgld
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Then you don’t introduce legislation to ban it. You introduce legislation to address the risks.
A Floor Debate can be a helpful start to getting a handle on things.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:57 am to the_truman_shitshow
quote:Let's see.
Utah Republican Senator Mike Lee Introduces Bill to Outlaw All Porn Nationwide
China unleashed CV19 on the planet without so much as a Senate investigation. They are now threatening to attack Taiwan, and not a whiff of Congressional angst was registered.
Russia and Ukraine are fighting a war of our instigation. The Nuclear Clock is at about 11:59.
Our supply chain ineptitude continues to drive inflation for which the Fed cure is to put us in recession. The Senate has not passed a budget since 2007.
But Mike Lee finds time to introduce a bill to criminalize porn.
Lovely
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:57 am to Liberator
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Porn didn't ruin anything.
For whom?
Its horribly destructive.
One of those things man hasn't evolved on, but its not gubments job to police, its the parents.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:58 am to The Maj
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Kids watching porn can and does have a detrimental affect on them, especially mentally...
I don’t at all disagree with you.
I just happen to believe that government was/is meant for domestic defense, maintaining the courts, and defending the Constitution.
These social issues (Internet access, porn, parenting, divorce) are the responsibility of the family and the individual.
There’s a gray line between government legislating what patents do with regard to internet access and also legislating what rights parents have with regard to pharmaceutical access (e.g., birth control, hormones) for their children.
Once you abrogate one, the other isn’t far behind ….
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:00 am to FooManChoo
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Even justice has a moral underpinning: society believes it is a moral good to give according to what is deserved.
It's why there are outcries at the perception of injustice, and those outcries aren't necessarily because they believe it results in anarchy, but because of the immorality of injustice.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:01 am to EKG
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These social issues (Internet access, porn, parenting, divorce) are the responsibility of the family and the individual.
And I agree with you but I am telling you as a parent that has tried to control a kid's access to things on their phone, it is almost impossible to do without blocking every single thing available to them...
They are smart and other kids show them work arounds on just about everything... The only option is to take the phone away...
I really do not see why putting this stuff under a .porn would hurt in the industry, other than adults would not be able to as easily hide their visits either...
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:02 am to The Maj
I respect your stance/opinion.
I think our endgames are the same, we simply differ on methodology.
Enjoyed the conversation.
I think our endgames are the same, we simply differ on methodology.
Enjoyed the conversation.
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