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Fusion announcement tomorrow
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:31 pm
To generate electricity, absent wind and solar, you boil water and run steam through a turbine attached to a generator to generate electricity.
You boil water by heating it with oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, and nuclear (fission).
Fusion is another way to heat water.
So, you have to contain the plasma, which is at the temperature of the sun. Pull out the periodic table. It shows all the known materials in the universe. No combination of those elements can be mixed to produce a vessel to withstand the temperatures of the fusion process plasma. None.
So the container has to be a strong magnetic field, which takes energy. So the energy output of the fusion process has to exceed the energy input of the magnetic field necessary to contain and control the plasma.
Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Btw, no one in western societies burn oil to generate electricity. It’s coal, natural gas, nuclear, and biomass. Solar and wind is less than 5%, and needs backup from conventional sources to ensure a reliable 24/7 grid. Hydro is around 9%. Fossil fuels and nuclear are about 85%.
So think about this as your doe energy secretary, former governor of Michigan and career politician talks about this groundbreaking fusion experiment. By government scientists.
Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Btw, the first time I drive by a wind farm with all wind turbines working will be the first time.
You boil water by heating it with oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, and nuclear (fission).
Fusion is another way to heat water.
So, you have to contain the plasma, which is at the temperature of the sun. Pull out the periodic table. It shows all the known materials in the universe. No combination of those elements can be mixed to produce a vessel to withstand the temperatures of the fusion process plasma. None.
So the container has to be a strong magnetic field, which takes energy. So the energy output of the fusion process has to exceed the energy input of the magnetic field necessary to contain and control the plasma.
Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Btw, no one in western societies burn oil to generate electricity. It’s coal, natural gas, nuclear, and biomass. Solar and wind is less than 5%, and needs backup from conventional sources to ensure a reliable 24/7 grid. Hydro is around 9%. Fossil fuels and nuclear are about 85%.
So think about this as your doe energy secretary, former governor of Michigan and career politician talks about this groundbreaking fusion experiment. By government scientists.
Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Btw, the first time I drive by a wind farm with all wind turbines working will be the first time.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:35 pm to Deplorableinohio
So, with fission, we would nuke ourselves. What’s the word for this one when the magnets fail?
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:36 pm to Deplorableinohio
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-science/ap-officials-to-announce-long-awaited-fusion-energy-advance/amp/
WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was set to announce a “major scientific breakthrough” Tuesday in the decades-long quest to harness fusion, the energy that powers the sun and stars.
Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it, something called net energy gain, according to one government official and one scientist familiar with the research. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the breakthrough ahead of the announcement.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was set to announce a “major scientific breakthrough” Tuesday in the decades-long quest to harness fusion, the energy that powers the sun and stars.
Researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California for the first time produced more energy in a fusion reaction than was used to ignite it, something called net energy gain, according to one government official and one scientist familiar with the research. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the breakthrough ahead of the announcement.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:40 pm to Deplorableinohio
MIT just did a major break-though with high temperature super conductors that greatly increases the efficient power of the magnetic bottle to new record levels.
It's a game changer.
https://news.mit.edu/2021/MIT-CFS-major-advance-toward-fusion-energy-0908
It's a game changer.
quote:
MIT-designed project achieves major advance toward fusion energy
New superconducting magnet breaks magnetic field strength records, paving the way for practical, commercial, carbon-free power.
https://news.mit.edu/2021/MIT-CFS-major-advance-toward-fusion-energy-0908
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:44 pm to Deplorableinohio
What’s the cons and dangers of this?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:50 pm to Deplorableinohio
Saw this in a Val Kilmer movie..The Saint..based on Roger Moore Brit tv series..Elizabeth Shue was in it too.
Cold fusion achieved in our lifetimes would be something amazing.
Cold fusion achieved in our lifetimes would be something amazing.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:23 pm to Deplorableinohio
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I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Understand. But your alleged educational post is not without errors. It's littered with them actually.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:30 pm to Deplorableinohio
You explain that very well.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:58 am to Deplorableinohio
Oops. This won’t go like anyone thinks it will if proven true.
This will be bloody.
This will be bloody.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:44 am to Deplorableinohio
If this becomes reality, they will have to ration resources. Cars will still need batteries, even if the energy is "almost free".
Questions I have:
1.) What happens to all the countries who's sole source of revenue is O&G? Many of them hate the western world anyway and how will they react when this happens?
2.) The world has limited resources. What happens in the inevitable population explosion when unlimited energy becomes a reality? Will our New World Order impose restrictions on us for the greater good, in order to conserve resources (eat bugs, not beef)?
3.) How do we resolve the battery problems - limited range and limited materials to make them? Or will every car have its own nuclear reactor, which would probably make them cost prohibitive?
Questions I have:
1.) What happens to all the countries who's sole source of revenue is O&G? Many of them hate the western world anyway and how will they react when this happens?
2.) The world has limited resources. What happens in the inevitable population explosion when unlimited energy becomes a reality? Will our New World Order impose restrictions on us for the greater good, in order to conserve resources (eat bugs, not beef)?
3.) How do we resolve the battery problems - limited range and limited materials to make them? Or will every car have its own nuclear reactor, which would probably make them cost prohibitive?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:47 am to Deplorableinohio
DEMS will find something wrong with it, unless it makes them rich.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:50 am to Deplorableinohio
I am perhaps a slow witted individual, but when CBS reported this on the evening news they said that this experimental fusion exercise occurred thru the use of lasers to generate the fusion. Pardon me if I am wrong, but does the lasers not require some form of energy input to be able to generate a beam? And the researcher said that if this was true that it could instantly replace all fossil fuels. I am sorry, but the last time I checked my 66 Cobra and 67 Mustang do not run on fusion reactors, but good old dinosaur squeezings. I think the jury is still out.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:13 am to Deplorableinohio
article I read says it produces 120% of what's needed to operate. its a start.
and kudos on your accessible summary presentation of the issues.
do you really think the former gov of Michigan has to do more than be the face of the organization in this event?
I'm betting she didn't do much of the lab work. come on man.
I'm sure she's capable of mgmt.
and kudos on your accessible summary presentation of the issues.
do you really think the former gov of Michigan has to do more than be the face of the organization in this event?
I'm betting she didn't do much of the lab work. come on man.
I'm sure she's capable of mgmt.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:32 am to Deplorableinohio
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Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Yeah, I would like to see at least a conceptual design of the torsional "donut" to keep the fusion reaction suspended and in place and at the same time the material involved to pull the heat away at the temperature of the sun to boil water.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:57 am to Deplorableinohio
quote:
To generate electricity, absent wind and solar, you boil water and run steam through a turbine attached to a generator to generate electricity.
You boil water by heating it with oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, and nuclear (fission).
Fusion is another way to heat water.
So, you have to contain the plasma, which is at the temperature of the sun. Pull out the periodic table. It shows all the known materials in the universe. No combination of those elements can be mixed to produce a vessel to withstand the temperatures of the fusion process plasma. None.
So the container has to be a strong magnetic field, which takes energy. So the energy output of the fusion process has to exceed the energy input of the magnetic field necessary to contain and control the plasma.
Then you have to figure out how to physically heat water to create steam through the magnetic field.
Btw, no one in western societies burn oil to generate electricity. It’s coal, natural gas, nuclear, and biomass. Solar and wind is less than 5%, and needs backup from conventional sources to ensure a reliable 24/7 grid. Hydro is around 9%. Fossil fuels and nuclear are about 85%.
So think about this as your doe energy secretary, former governor of Michigan and career politician talks about this groundbreaking fusion experiment. By government scientists.
Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Btw, the first time I drive by a wind farm with all wind turbines working will be the first time.
Well said - You a Navy Nuke guy by chance?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 9:28 am to Deplorableinohio
Even if it is ready to build, it will be 5 years before the plans for a facility get drawn up and make it through the NEPA process to get permits.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 9:42 am to Deplorableinohio
Forgive me if I'm skeptical. No lab in the history of man kind has ever produced more energy than required to ignite fusion.
Despite trillions of dollars and 50+ years, only experiments lasting billionths of seconds and taking up the space of a tic tac have been done..and they are thrilled when the energy absorbed by the fuel and containment is less than required to ignite it - much less produce a surplus.
If they announced a net gain in the TOTAL process (which would require MANY megajoules output just for tic tac), it would be an exponential increase over any lab.
Forgive me until I see the peer reviewed paper.
Despite trillions of dollars and 50+ years, only experiments lasting billionths of seconds and taking up the space of a tic tac have been done..and they are thrilled when the energy absorbed by the fuel and containment is less than required to ignite it - much less produce a surplus.
If they announced a net gain in the TOTAL process (which would require MANY megajoules output just for tic tac), it would be an exponential increase over any lab.
Forgive me until I see the peer reviewed paper.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:34 am to Deplorableinohio
Let's just skip a step and build a matter/anti-matter generator. Hell it's all sci fi at this point anyway.
I agree. I will believe it when I see it.
I agree. I will believe it when I see it.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:05 pm to Deplorableinohio
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Yes, I’m skeptical. This is my background for over 40 years and I’ve seen more bs on this than I care to remember.
Sooooo OP what are your thoughts on the announcement?
Glen Beck interviewed some guy on this yesterday and he had some things he was interested in hearing ie will it be open sourced for independent review, and some other more technical stuff. He's supposed to have him back on tomorrow as a follow up on his thoughts.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:07 pm to Deplorableinohio
Val kilmer and Elizabeth shue. Did it
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