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re: Denver Harris is being looked at by LSU but it’s up to Brian Kelly if he wants him or not
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:05 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:05 am to tiggerthetooth
Good points. Find it amusing when a fan not involved directly with the program says he’s not a fit “we” are going for. That’s for the coaching staff and university officials (I imagine) to decide. We are fans, we have no determination in that, and we are not in Kelly’s shoes. Let’s see if Harris blossoms, those same fans will be speaking opposite this time next season, should he become a Tiger.
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 7:15 am
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Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:11 am to tiggerthetooth
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What comments did Boutte make? And what were his bad habits?
Very early in the season he made a couple of postgame statements that were concerning. You had the social media scrubbing after game one, the rumors he was gone before his NIL deal and Kelly’s statements saying he needed to learn how to practice. These are just isolated incidents alone, but all together there was a fair amount of smoke about Boutte’s attitude not lining up with the staff for a while. And he went from that to sounding totally bought in by mid-season. We can only see what we can see from the outside, but I see a change in him over the course of the season.
The bad habits comment was in reference to what Kelly said about practice. What did that comment mean to you? He was definitely being critical of something and he called Boutte out about it publicly. We all talked about it at the time. Did you forget this?
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 7:15 am
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:22 am to misey94
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Very early in the season he made a couple of postgame statements that were concerning.
Please link me to the exact comments he made. I don't recall any of this.
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You had the social media scrubbing after game one,
All of the receivers did that because fans were harassing them, that wasn't exclusive to Boutte.
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the rumors he was gone before his NIL deal
Did he ever mention it? Or was it message board chatter? Culotta said Bama DID come hard at Kayshon but Kayshon said no. Seems pretty clear he chose LSU.
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Kelly’s statements saying he needed to learn how to practice.
What were the exact statements? As far as I could see Kelly wanted Boutte to simply come around the team and the practice. He couldn't practice at the time because he was recovering from his surgery. He didn't play at all in the spring if I recall. So his practicing had nothing to do with it, Kelly simply wanted a guy who was the most talented player on the team, to show up and be a presence. As far as we can see Boutte responded and was a great teammate all season.
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but all together there was a fair amount of smoke about Boutte’s attitude not lining up with the staff for a while.
No there wasn't. It was as simple as: Boutte was away from the team for awhile because of his injury, and with the staff changes and transfers there was a lot going on that Boutte was out of the loop on. When he was healthy come fall he came back into the fold.
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The bad habits comment was in reference to what Kelly said about practice. What did that comment mean to you? He was definitely being critical of something and he called Boutte out about it publicly. We all talked about it at the time. Did you forget this?
Someone asked Kelly about Boutte and Kelly said he only knew his name but hadn't talked to him.
Again, Boutte was hurt for all of spring and had multiple surgeries. Kelly wanted his presence at practice even though he was injured/recovering. It was Kelly trying to get something out of Boutte that wasn't asked of him from the Orgeron regime and that doesn't mean Kayshon was in the wrong to begin with.
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 7:23 am
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:59 am to misey94
quote:what did he say? Exactly
Very early in the season he made a couple of postgame statements that were concerning
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:05 am to Lsuhoohoo
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Well who else would it be up to?
The university? One rumor was that he had a 0.0 GPA. Not sure if it's true or not, but that could make him academically ineligible.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:14 am to 0
What did he do that was so bad? Was it a legal thing?
Actually asking, I don’t remember.
Actually asking, I don’t remember.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:13 am to tiggerthetooth
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) You don't even know what kind of character Denver Harris is
I saw the video of him smoking and driving like a lunatic through that parking garage. He’s an idiot that could have easily killed someone and been put away for life. My opinion on this sports forum is I don’t think he is worth it.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:22 am to Srobi14
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I saw the video of him smoking and driving like a lunatic through that parking garage.
Where was the smoke? Never saw any smoke but saw him driving crazy through a parking garage. I knew plenty of kids doing similar stuff when I was that age and you'd probably welcome them with open arms.
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He’s an idiot that could have easily killed someone and been put away for life. My opinion on this sports forum is I don’t think he is worth it.
You don't know a lot of young people, do you? If you think what he did is crazy then you're ignorant of how kids at that age generally behave.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:41 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Did i say he was suspended or broke the law, or did i say he had ups and downs? You do realize saying that doesn't mean troublemaker right? Boutte has shared the highs of record breaking performances, preseason honors, NIL deals, and having a kid, while also having the lows of having that injury, not rehabbing 100% right and reinjuring himself, not living up to expectations, actually was contemplating leaving, being called out by his new coach through the media, and completely raked over the coals by the national media and LSU fans sending him hateful messages.
What ups and downs? Did I miss something? Boutte was never suspended and never broke the law
His ups and downs were things that affected him. He can convey to the younger guys how they can overcome those hardships and tough times.
quote:He's also had a lot of low effort plays. We like to shite on the QB to defend WRs for not jumping for a pass or holding on to a ball. I want people to go rewatch Burrow's highlights in 2019 and see how many amazing plays our receivers made on the balls he threw. The passing offense in 2019 was one where a great passer trusted that his elite receivers would go up and make those great plays. Remember in 2018, those guys weren't making those kind of plays.
He simply got hurt and then had a QB who isn't capable of getting him the ball.
quote:IDK about anybody else, but to say Boutte didn't have his share of problems is silly. Boutte was on Jordy before the season talking about doing your 3 years and getting the hell out.
Why are people in this thread acting like Boutte was ever a problem? It's absurd.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:43 pm to Byrdybyrd05
he's a take or he will likely end up at another sec school
Posted on 12/9/22 at 4:46 pm to LSUSkip
This kid has unsolvable issues. 1) He doesn’t want to be a “student/athlete”. He wants to be a pro now! 2) According to his class mates, very poor attitude, resistant to instruction. 3) Resents correction or discipline. Conclusion: Why poison the locker room while you’re trying to build a team and sell the program?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 5:09 pm to Rick Fayard
Everyone deserves Exxon’s chance from what I hear A&M was a complete shite show and the athletes were running the coaches off. No structure over there
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:37 pm to LSUSkip
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He's a kid who's made some mistakes. Unfortunately, playing for LSU isn't exactly like getting a job at Dollar General. There are expectations.
I offered a kid that's an assistant manager at Dollar General a job yesterday
he told me his name was Jayden and I said ah hell I'm an LSU fan I gotta give you a job now. I agree about Denver Harris not being some hardened criminal. LSU would be the best place for him to clean up his act and under Kelly's leadership he'd become who he's meant to be on and off the field. I hope he comes and balls out next year. 
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:56 pm to Toptigerfan86
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I really hope Brian Kelly reads this board. We can help him so much!
I hope this is a joke?
That kind of shite is part of the downfall of Orgeron. He was making moves based off of the rants opinions being feed to him by Ponamsky.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:03 pm to Ponchy Tiger
I hope he’s joking too lol we have some one of a kind fans bruh
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:19 pm to LSUSkip
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The thing is that you don't want him to disrupt the locker room and it seems like there are alot of people that would be a good influence on him, and none that would be a bad influence. It's minimal risk, if he fricks up, he's gone, but it could be a huge reward.
I would have worried about bringing someone like Harris in last year because it’s a lot harder to establish a new culture with distractions. That said, we’ve seen plenty of evidence of how well that culture of accountability has taken hold in just one year. I think we can afford to take a chance on a guy like Harris knowing that he will either assimilate or be told to move on.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
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And you know Harris can't transfer again without sitting out.
Grad transfers are still a thing. That gives a player more opportunities to transfer without penalty after using their one-time waiver.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 10:59 pm to tiggerthetooth
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What were the exact statements? As far as I could see Kelly wanted Boutte to simply come around the team and the practice. He couldn't practice at the time because he was recovering from his surgery. He didn't play at all in the spring if I recall. So his practicing had nothing to do with it, Kelly simply wanted a guy who was the most talented player on the team, to show up and be a presence. As far as we can see Boutte responded and was a great teammate all season.
Just do a damn Google search.
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He’s learning how to practice. There were times where I had to remind him how to practice the right way, but he’s so committed. He’s worked so hard
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I never said that Kelly drug him over practice, but he absolutely mentioned that Boutte needed to work on it. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one after the way O left things, but your top players have to be an example and held to a high standard and I’m sure that’s why Kelly singled him out.
As for the comment you mentioned about Boutte attending practice while he was still injured, Kelly literally referred to that as “throwing a shot across his bow” in the media in a later interview.
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Do you think a new head coach does something like that if he’s not concerned with how things are starting off between him and a star player?
As for Boutte staying and the NIL deal, do you really think one had nothing to do with the other? Most of our insiders believed he was at least considering leaving before that.
This comment from Kelly in November says a lot about Boutte’s improvement over the course of the season:
“I think he’s feeling comfortable with his role and his leadership role. He’s been outstanding…I couldn’t find (him) the first week and now he’s running the show.”
And Boutte says this about himself:
“I feel like the beginning of the year, coming back from the injury, it was different,” said Boutte. “I wasn’t my same weight, kind of felt like I wasn’t moving how I used to. It was just different for me all together. But I’m back where I was before, kind of still getting there but I feel good. Coming along, getting there, character getting there. Everything’s good, falling in line.”
That sounds to me like Boutte also recognizes that he’s made and is making changes for the better.
Look, you act like I’m attacking the guy. It’s quite the opposite. Some players would have either left so they could keep doing what they wanted and what the previous staff allowed, or would have stubbornly dug in and either found themselves on the bench or kicked off the team. By all accounts, Boutte has bought into what the staff wants him to do, exceeded what’s been asked of him, and become a real leader on this team. He deserves a lot of credit for that, especially after making the decision to come back next season.
A strong program culture that emphasizes accountability develops leadership. Whatever you want to say about Boutte before this season, good or bad, he wasn’t a leader. I don’t blame him for that because the previous staff certainly didn’t teach him or anyone else how to be one, but that’s changing fast. The culture that the staff is building works.
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