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Seeing the level of narrative building in the media. Does anyone else now question...

Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:42 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:42 pm
Everything they know about history? I'm just saying there is probably ly alot more nuance in historical events or periods that have largely been presented as the black and white, good and bad storyline we were all fed growing up.

Look no further than this stupid "non story" story about Kanye and Nick Fuentes being at Mar A Lago. The media is running wild with a completely fabricated recreation that Trump was conspiring with a "white supremecist", blah blah. The truth is, a major hip hop mogul wanted to stop by and talk to him, and he brought along some shock jock Gen Z troll kid who likes to say edgy things. The real story is that Trump's staff/team was sloppy not to vet the situation better, and they need to get their shite together.

But now.I find myself questioning everything from the Civil War, Great Depression, WW1, WW2, JFK, Vietnam, and 9-11. If the media can so overtly gaslight and straight up lie to our faces the way they are everyday, why wouldn't they simply lie about historical events that none of us were alive to account for.
Posted by StrangeBrew
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:26 pm to
All I can vouch for was I saw a dramatic change in reporting during the 70’s. What was presented during the 30 minute evening news was in dramatic contrast to what I witnessed each day. I think the only thing that has changed is the ability of people to communicate and record (film) in real time. Ferguson and Travon were complete BS but was throttled by Twitter( FBI & CIA)
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Tangineck
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

I'm just saying there is probably ly alot more nuance in historical events or periods that have largely been presented as the black and white, good and bad storyline we were all fed growing up.


This is is most certainly true. Most of the detail about what really happened throughout history is lost. The truth about JFK alone would tilt the view of the modern world on its head.
Posted by TNoon
Member since Nov 2020
2809 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:41 pm to
Add MLK Jr. to your list
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:48 pm to
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All I can vouch for was I saw a dramatic change in reporting during the 70’s. What was presented during the 30 minute evening news was in dramatic contrast to what I witnessed each day. I think the only thing that has changed is the ability of people to communicate and record (film) in real time. Ferguson and Travon were complete BS but was throttled by Twitter( FBI & CIA)


Prior to the 90's maybe late 80's the news was pretty bland and matter of fact. Back then If the liberals in the media were trying to introduce a leftist slant in their reporting it was pretty subtle. Today the news is straight up in your face cultural Marxist propaganda. I challenge someone to find a solid piece of reporting from any of the major broadcast or cable news networks (not including Fox, News Max, OAN or RAV ) that shows any objective political reporting where conservatives are not presented as radical right wing extremists.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29631 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:52 pm to
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If the media can so overtly gaslight and straight up lie to our faces the way they are everyday, why wouldn't they simply lie about historical events that none of us were alive to account for.



They can and they most certainly do.

One part about American history that is outright true. We were born out of rebellion and being taxed unfairly to a tyrant. And we wrote a constitution that absolutely gave the tools to freedom by the people and for us.

No matter our exact roles in every war we've been in, do bear in mind that our country was originally the baddest arse country birth ever.

The real danger of today is that half of us have learned to resent the flag and all of America's founding principles. We MUST start re-education program to remind our divided countrymen about this.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
20447 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:59 pm to
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All I can vouch for was I saw a dramatic change in reporting during the 70’s.
It started with Watergate. The press believed they took down a president and Woodward and Bernstein became celebs in their own right. The type of person going into journalism then changed. It went from a blue collar shoe leather profession of reporting, to an Ivy League graduate infested cesspool of self righteous a-hole activists.
Posted by bayou2
New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2007
3723 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:10 pm to


quote:

But now.I find myself questioning everything from the Civil War, Great Depression, WW1, WW2, JFK, Vietnam, and 9-11. If the media can so overtly gaslight and straight up lie to our faces the way they are everyday, why wouldn't they simply lie about historical events that none of us were alive to account for.



... on page 50 of ToE thread ...

>>> this is ALL ABOUT :

#1 ---
a fighter who refused to take a dive (a fighter from 1924 )

#2 --- a memo

#3 --- an internship

#4 --- a necklace


Truly how everything has gone down

Just amazing

Because God said "NO"


Posted by Kliner1321
Member since Oct 2020
174 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:12 pm to
Imagine what the history books will say about Jan 6th. It’s gonna be up there compared to Pearl Harbor and 9/11
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 8:13 pm
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9617 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:23 pm to
The more you learn about history from serious study, the more that you realize what we do not know about what actually happened.

The most important thing to remember is that history is not past events. It it’s the record of past events. If it’s not recorded, it’s not history. It’s lost.

It seems like a really easy point to understand, but people are still fooled by it.

Since the recording of the event is critical to history, the recorder… matters. And most people read history and don’t even question who wrote it. They should.
Posted by bayou2
New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:36 pm to


#3 --- the internship was not posted on page 50 of the ToE

But it was posted, I think, on page 2050 of the ToE

IF that was posted on page 50, they would have figured it out and killed the ToE thread way too soon.

Instead the thread lasted way past 8000 pages.

Posted by bayou2
New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2007
3723 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:45 pm to


... OOOHHH and guess what ...

The internship is the truth about the Event Horizon / BP Oil event and how it WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT ...

Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35306 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:50 pm to
Much of what I learned about WWII came from the firsthand accounts of both my grandfathers and my great-uncle, who were all in the European Theater. Two of them landed at Normandy D+10 and D+12, and passed through France and eventually to Belgium and fought in the Bulge, and ultimately crossed the Rhine into Germany, one to Buchenwald and the other to the outskirts as Berlin fell.

History books tell a good part of the actual events, while personal accounts can sometimes be criticized factually due to emotional involvement... But my family elders weren't the kind of guys to embellish tales, and we're pretty straightforward. There are major things that the history books deliberately left out...

The books don't tell you that it wasn't only Patton that wanted to continue the war beyond the fall of Nazi Germany. The troops that had battled all the way across Europe and then eventually saw the aftermath of what the Red Army did to men, women and children along their path towards Berlin, also wanted continue the fight and destroy Stalin and his army. The Reds had just cold-bloodedly slaughtered everyone they came across, no matter the age. If they saw them, they killed them, of they didn't capture and rape/torture them first. Our boys were happy to be coming home after so long, sure, but the overwhelming majority of them went home knowing with certainty that the war was unfinished.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
17268 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:17 am to
We knew when Patton died in Europe. Until then we just did not want to believe they would.
Posted by Realityintheface
Member since May 2022
1784 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:40 am to
When you are trying to convince men to charge machine gun fire head on, you have to lie to them.
Posted by LSU2NO
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
1948 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 8:40 am to
You have documentation for these historical events. Either from family history and multiple records legitimatize these events. So that means, as in anything, find out the actual truth to the event whether it be the Civil War or Kanye at Mar A Lago.
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
5016 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 8:48 am to
I question everything I’ve been taught about “history”.

“Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.”

Never been more true.
Posted by LSU2NO
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
1948 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 8:56 am to
quote:

I think the only thing that has changed is the ability of people to communicate and record (film) in real time. Ferguson and Travon were complete BS but was throttled by Twitter( FBI & CIA)


Social media has changed the way we see the world and news. The 'journalism' today is atrocious. As far as ABC, NBC and CBS, they were the only news channels and they were pretty much straight shooters. They had editors and proofreaders who vetted the stories before they went on air. Think of Walter Cronkite, Edward R. Murrow. That was the golden age of media.

quote:

And that was the way it was
Walter Cronkite.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 8:59 am
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:03 am to
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Walter Cronkite.


Was a commie sympathizer, if not an outright commie himself.

More than anyone he turned popular opinion against the Vietnam War by calling it unwinnable.

Don’t get me wrong, I think we should not have gone there in the first place, but once committed we should have fought to win.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7651 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:52 am to
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