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Luka Doncic Narrative
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:28 am
I keep hearing Luka is hard to play with and guys can’t get in rhythm cause they don’t get the ball enough. A 3 and d role player’s job is to stand in a corner and shoot open 3’s.
Luka gets his guys more open 3’s than anyone. So why is it “well his guys don’t touch the ball enough” when it comes to Luka?
Also, why couldn’t another star get their shots with Luka? KP, Brunson, Hardaway Jr, and Dinwiddie, have all had no issue getting up shots, and none of those guys are stars. Wood would be easily getting over 20 ppg if the coach gave him minutes.
It feels like people are just talking bullshite trying to make points about heliocentric basketball and compare the guy to Harden. But, Luka gets his shooters open shots, and others guys who aren’t that great have been able to eat.
Luka has proven to be great in the playoffs, and his teams went toe to toe with teams way more talented. Basically, just cause he has a high usage rate doesn’t make him the same as Harden or Russ. And when I say “people” I’m talking about media people who cover basketball.
Luka gets his guys more open 3’s than anyone. So why is it “well his guys don’t touch the ball enough” when it comes to Luka?
Also, why couldn’t another star get their shots with Luka? KP, Brunson, Hardaway Jr, and Dinwiddie, have all had no issue getting up shots, and none of those guys are stars. Wood would be easily getting over 20 ppg if the coach gave him minutes.
It feels like people are just talking bullshite trying to make points about heliocentric basketball and compare the guy to Harden. But, Luka gets his shooters open shots, and others guys who aren’t that great have been able to eat.
Luka has proven to be great in the playoffs, and his teams went toe to toe with teams way more talented. Basically, just cause he has a high usage rate doesn’t make him the same as Harden or Russ. And when I say “people” I’m talking about media people who cover basketball.
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:29 am to landrywasbeast30
MVP
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:31 am to landrywasbeast30
I am sure it is hard to play your game fully because he is balling out all the time.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:43 am to landrywasbeast30
Hardens team are always a top 5 offense and most
Of the time in the last 6 seasons first or second.
The biggest difference between prime harden and Luka is scoring efficiency. Hardens career TS is 61. Lukas best season is 58. Harden has always been a bit more efficient as a scorer, because he is a much better FT shooter and 3 pt shooter.
That being said luka’s teammates decide how far luka’s team will go.
Of the time in the last 6 seasons first or second.
The biggest difference between prime harden and Luka is scoring efficiency. Hardens career TS is 61. Lukas best season is 58. Harden has always been a bit more efficient as a scorer, because he is a much better FT shooter and 3 pt shooter.
That being said luka’s teammates decide how far luka’s team will go.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:54 am to landrywasbeast30
quote:Because Luka always has the ball.
Also, why couldn’t another star get their shots with Luka?
There is a long history and teams do not ever win when 1 dude has a 35%+ usage rate.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:54 am to Tvilletiger
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I am sure it is hard to play your game fully because he is balling out all the time.
Who is being hurt by that? Are Kleber, Bullock, and Finney-Smith gonna start taking guys off the dribble if Luka let’s them cook more? Does Dwight Powell need more post touches?
Everyone on that team is doing exactly what they are capable of, except Wood cause he doesn’t get enough minutes.
The point is there is nothing to suggest a star player wouldn’t get the ball enough or get enough shots playing with Luka. KP was getting 16 shot attempts and averaging 20 ppg, and that’s with Hardaway and Brunson not passing him the ball.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:56 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Playoff performance is the biggest difference
The biggest difference between prime harden and Luka is scoring efficiency.
One rises up and gets even better. The other gets worse than his regular season performance.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:56 am to Boomshockalocka
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Hardens team are always a top 5 offense and most Of the time in the last 6 seasons first or second. The biggest difference between prime harden and Luka is scoring efficiency. Hardens career TS is 61. Lukas best season is 58. Harden has always been a bit more efficient as a scorer, because he is a much better FT shooter and 3 pt shooter. That being said luka’s teammates decide how far luka’s team will go.
Completely irrelevant to this thread.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:58 am to shel311
Harden in the first round doesn’t fall off. It is in the later rounds. Luka has played mostly rd 1 series. If you compare harden v GSW last time v Luka v GSW last time, harden was easily better.
Brunson in 22 probably outplayed CP v GSW in 19 that was the deciding factor.
Brunson in 22 probably outplayed CP v GSW in 19 that was the deciding factor.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:03 am to landrywasbeast30
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And when I say “people” I’m talking about media people who cover basketball.
Two words
White European
The media treats Joker the same. They HATE that two of the best bball players in the world are white Europeans. It’s that simple.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:06 am to Frac the world
quote:biggest crybaby bitches in the game
Two words White European
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:08 am to shel311
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Because Luka always has the ball.
Yet somehow guys like KP, Brunson, Hardaway Jr., and Dinwiddie have had zero issue getting up shots. But a legit star player next to him won’t get shots? Someone like Jaylen Brown would be better in Dallas next to Luka than he is in Boston.
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There is a long history and teams do not ever win when 1 dude has a 35%+ usage rate.
How many of those guys had teams good enough to win in those seasons? Harden is a known playoff choker and had his team on the brink of a championship.
Just because it hasn’t been done doesn’t mean it can’t. And it also doesn’t mean a star can’t play with Luka.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:09 am to shel311
Correlation v causation.
You can easily argue that a team where one guy has to take that many shots doesn’t have a good enough supporting cast to win a title and the team only made it as far as they did due to the high usage player.
Of course no one in the media has ever said that east enough to parrot the existing takes.
You can easily argue that a team where one guy has to take that many shots doesn’t have a good enough supporting cast to win a title and the team only made it as far as they did due to the high usage player.
Of course no one in the media has ever said that east enough to parrot the existing takes.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:12 am to Boomshockalocka
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Correlation v causation. You can easily argue that a team where one guy has to take that many shots doesn’t have a good enough supporting cast to win a title and the team only made it as far as they did due to the high usage player.
There you go. I agree.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:12 am to shel311
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Also, why couldn’t another star get their shots with Luka?
Because Luka always has the ball.
There is a long history and teams do not ever win when 1 dude has a 35%+ usage rate.
Agreed. To this day, heliocentric basketball formula can work great on a regular season level, but it has not been able to get a team out of a conference finals.
Both the likes of Luka and Harden all looked worn down by the time they reached the conference finals. And at that point, you are likely facing a top-end defense which is best equipped to guard an offense based around one player.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:17 am to Boomshockalocka
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The biggest difference between prime harden and Luka is scoring efficiency. Hardens career TS is 61. Lukas best season is 58.
Luka's inability to improve his FT% is mind-numbing
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:18 am to landrywasbeast30
The Mavs massively fricked up by not even attempting to keep Brunson. While Dinwiddie has had a complete career resurrection in Dallas he is still more of a 2 guard. They have nobody else to run the offense when Luka sits which is causing them to have to overuse him.
What's even more frustrating is that both Goran Dragic and Dennis Smith Jr were basically begging to come to Dallas and they blew them off. Both now look really good. DSJ in particular would be great as the Mavs backup PG w/how he's been playing this year.
What's even more frustrating is that both Goran Dragic and Dennis Smith Jr were basically begging to come to Dallas and they blew them off. Both now look really good. DSJ in particular would be great as the Mavs backup PG w/how he's been playing this year.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:20 am to Dr RC
Also wasted money on javale who is not even playing. Really bad personnel decisions lately.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:21 am to Boomshockalocka
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Boomshockalocka
Harden in the first round doesn’t fall off. It is in the later rounds. Luka has played mostly rd 1 series. If you compare harden v GSW last time v Luka v GSW last time, harden was easily better.
Doncic is 23. Harden was 23 his first season with the Rockets..
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:25 am to brmark70816
Ok if you take the season harden lost to the warriors in WCF after beating CP in round 2 (2015) and compare it to Luka losing to the warriors in 5 after beating CP in rd 2, same results. He was better than Luka in that 5 game series loss to GSW.
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