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Is there any legit justification for it taking so long to count votes in Arizona?
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:35 pm
Third world countries can somehow count all their votes in one evening but we cant?
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:36 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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legit justification
Cheating
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:36 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Nope. Louisiana got theirs counted. If we can they should be able to.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:37 pm to IceTiger
Ha. Yeah I figured cheating
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:39 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Maricopa County is the 4th largest county in the country.
A record number of people dropped off mail in ballots on or shortly before election day in Arizona.
Those ballots have to have signature verifications done on them before they can be counted.
A record number of people dropped off mail in ballots on or shortly before election day in Arizona.
Those ballots have to have signature verifications done on them before they can be counted.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:40 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Stealing, just like 2020. If they steal this, it will confirm Trump was right (as were the rest of us). This is why they've been ramping up the "election denier" language the past few months.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:And this takes a week, in your tiny little mind? Florida is the third largest state in the country, they had theirs done by dinnertime.
Maricopa County is the 4th largest county in the country.
A record number of people dropped off mail in ballots on or shortly before election day in Arizona.
Those ballots have to have signature verifications done on them before they can be counted.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:49 pm to RoosterCogburn585
When the cash man goes to the section 8 hood to pay for the blank ballots he often finds that some of his clients are in jail and won't be out on probation till tomorrow.
Clients could have left the ballots with a friend who would exchange them for the cash. But these days you can't even trust your friends with your money. It's a damn shame what society has come to these days.
Clients could have left the ballots with a friend who would exchange them for the cash. But these days you can't even trust your friends with your money. It's a damn shame what society has come to these days.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:52 pm to VolcanicTiger
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And this takes a week, in your tiny little mind? Florida is the third largest state in the country, they had theirs done by dinnertime.
By election day morning, Florida is basically already done processing and verifying mail-in ballots. They don't allow them to be dropped off on election day all over the state like Arizona does.
Maricopa County had nearly 300k mail-in ballots received on election day.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:02 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Maricopa County had nearly 300k mail-in ballots received on election day
You don’t see one hint of the frickery that this allows? It’s as if you want the uncertainty.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:04 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:The whiners act as if processing these ballots is just a matter of running them thru a tabulator machine. It isn't.
Maricopa County had nearly 300k mail-in ballots received on election day.
Each ballot must first be compared to voter rolls, to prevent double-voting. Then signature comparisons. Any discrepancies must be resolved. Be generous and say that a given election worker can process a ballot in five minutes, that is 12/hour or roughly 100 per day.
If there are a total of 300,000 ballots, it would take 3,000 man-days to process them. To complete the process in one day, you would need 3,000 volunteers, and they are not working with anywhere NEAR that number.
How many volunteers are counting? 200? That is 15 days. 500 volunteers? Still a solid six days of counting.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:08 pm to Motorboat
quote:JFC, where did Mick say anything of the sort.
Maricopa County had nearly 300k mail-in ballots received on election dayquote:
You don’t see one hint of the frickery that this allows? It’s as if you want the uncertainty.
OP: Why is this taking so long?
Mick: The reasons are as follows ...
Motorboat: Why do you WANT the votes counted this way?????
Mick:
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:12 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Those ballots have to have signature verifications done on them
Bingo. I'm sure certain ballots are getting a lot more "verification" than others.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:22 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Personally, I think that all early votes should just be tabulated as they arrive, so that they are ready to report when the polls have closed, but I do understand the possibility that results would be leaked.
As to in-person early votes, this is not a problem. All the verification is done before the ballot is cast. All that remains is to run the ballot thru the tabulator machine. That can be completed post haste after the polls close.
As to early ballots that are returned to the registrar either by mail or by drop-off, no verification as been done, so the post-polls work includes BOTH verification of hundreds of thousands of ballots AND running them thru the tabulator.
I suppose that we COULD authorize realtime verification as the ballots arrive throughout the early voting period and save only tabulation until Election Day, but even then we would have the problem that many of these ballots will not ARRIVE until Election Day or a few days before. During that time, election workers are busy getting things ready and then watching the polling places. They really do not have the TIME to early-verify these ballots.
So, we are left with two options. Delayed completion of the count OR major changes to election law consisting of some combination of early verification/tabulation and/or reduction in the availability of early-voting in any way other than in-person.
But it really seems that we just have to choose between (a) instant gratification on Election Night and (b) ease and flexibility in casting our ballots.
As to in-person early votes, this is not a problem. All the verification is done before the ballot is cast. All that remains is to run the ballot thru the tabulator machine. That can be completed post haste after the polls close.
As to early ballots that are returned to the registrar either by mail or by drop-off, no verification as been done, so the post-polls work includes BOTH verification of hundreds of thousands of ballots AND running them thru the tabulator.
I suppose that we COULD authorize realtime verification as the ballots arrive throughout the early voting period and save only tabulation until Election Day, but even then we would have the problem that many of these ballots will not ARRIVE until Election Day or a few days before. During that time, election workers are busy getting things ready and then watching the polling places. They really do not have the TIME to early-verify these ballots.
So, we are left with two options. Delayed completion of the count OR major changes to election law consisting of some combination of early verification/tabulation and/or reduction in the availability of early-voting in any way other than in-person.
But it really seems that we just have to choose between (a) instant gratification on Election Night and (b) ease and flexibility in casting our ballots.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:26 pm to RoosterCogburn585
it's not just counting ballots. It's checking signatures and matching them to the envelopes and voter roll sign in sheet, checking and verifying addresses, etc. all by multiple people. It's not as simple as just "counting votes". Each vote takes 5 to 10 minutes to go through the process.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:46 pm to boxcar willie
Those ballots, the ones mail-in ballots that were dropped off at voting locations are not the issues!
In fact as of this 7:19 this morning, they haven't even started counting those votes!
So why is it taking so long if those votes haven't even been touched at this point?
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In fact as of this 7:19 this morning, they haven't even started counting those votes!
So why is it taking so long if those votes haven't even been touched at this point?
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:47 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
But it really seems that we just have to choose between (a) instant gratification on Election Night and (b) ease and flexibility in casting our ballots.
That is essentially what it boils down to. In Florida, there are less options/time for casting mail ballots so you end up knowing the results much faster.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 1:52 pm to BamaMamaof2
quote:
Those ballots, the ones mail-in ballots that were dropped off at voting locations are not the issues!
In fact as of this 7:19 this morning, they haven't even started counting those votes!
So why is it taking so long if those votes haven't even been touched at this point?
(sigh) Those ballots have been going through the signature verification process. After that, they are tabulated.
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