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re: Anyone thinking another Rep won’t get Trumped forget Romney and McCain

Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:44 am to
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
5638 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:44 am to
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McCain and Romney are two of the most milquetoast establishment candidates to ever run for president, yet both were vilified by the media when they ran. And since then, the media has only become more militant and partisan.



Please.

Once Romney and McCain won the nomination they more or less stopped seriously campaigning because their money backers had guaranteed a satisfactory outcome either way.

McCain spent more energy bashing his own base for lampooning Obama than attacking himself.

Romney, outside of one debate, was practically napping through his campaign.

Now the media is back to loving both and they have more than proven just what sort of creatures they were in the years since.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:47 am to
Obama was a rock star as far as the dems were concerned. Biden isn't Obama

McCain ran a terrible campaign and republicans were ripe to take the L after the 2008 financial crisis

Romney is mormon and was easy to frame as an unlikable elitist...and conditions in 2012 are likely to look much more favorable than conditions in 2024 for your average American

This is beyond a stupid comparison and you should be embarrassed
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
58701 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:50 am to
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But playing Devil’s Advocate, would DeSantis be as fervent to combat both the Washington and global establishments?
How'd Trump do, other than bluster? Conservatives need to understand they are the minority party at this point. Any change is going to have to come incrementally, not from some messianic leader.

Think of Bill Clinton... was he a perfect Leftist? Nope. Did he help kick off the leftist revoultion and assist it at every opportunity? Yep.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
58701 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:51 am to
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This is beyond a stupid comparison and you should be embarrassed
Name a Republican the MSM will like.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5141 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:52 am to
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Anyone thinking another Rep won’t get Trumped forget Romney and McCain


Who the frick is thinking this???

No hard core/life long GOP thinks this. I have seen this with Reagan, Bush, Bush, McCain, Romney, Trump.

So why the frick are you making this an issue? We know what happens with the MSM.

This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 10:18 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162907 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:56 am to
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Name a Republican the MSM will like.


We know they hate Ron

The point is that Romney and McCain lost and that's what really matters here

And they both had a much bigger hill to climb than any republican will against Biden unless conditions rapidly improve (there is no indication they will)
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
17136 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:57 am to
Uniparty McCain and uniparty Romney were labeled as nazis.


I think Desantis will get it worse than trump. The first thing establishment does is use anonymous sources and false accusations through MSM to destroy the reputation of a person.

Whenever Desantis does run for potus, I expect women to come out and claim he raped them. Some will probably say he raped them while his wife was battling cancer. Some people from the military from when Desantis served, will probably come out and throw a bunch of dirty water on him. I believe his reputation will be destroyed, and the only people who support him will he labeled as brainwashed cultists. Sort of like what happened with trump and his supporters.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
11757 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:58 am to
I remember Dick Morris on the night of the 2012 election “His lead, it just upped and vanished.”
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
58701 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:58 am to
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Name a Republican the MSM will like.
quote:

We know they hate Ron

The point is that Romney and McCain lost and that's what really matters here

And they both had a much bigger hill to climb than any republican will against Biden unless conditions rapidly improve (there is no indication they will)
Thanks for the non-answer.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 9:58 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
59565 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:59 am to
Gloria Alred already has 5 women lined up who will swear DeSantis raped them!
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
59565 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:02 am to
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Please. Once Romney and McCain won the nomination they more or less stopped seriously campaigning because their money backers had guaranteed a satisfactory outcome either way. McCain spent more energy bashing his own base for lampooning Obama than attacking himself. Romney, outside of one debate, was practically napping through his campaign. Now the media is back to loving both and they have more than proven just what sort of creatures they were in the years since.



What does any of this have to do with how they were treated during the campaign?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
59565 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:04 am to
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This is beyond a stupid comparison and you should be embarrassed



Another poster who is ignoring how the media treated both candidates during the campaign. The OP isn’t about both of their failed campaigns
Posted by Don Johnson
Member since Dec 2010
522 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:05 am to
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I think Desantis will get it worse than trump. The first thing establishment does is use anonymous sources and false accusations through MSM to destroy the reputation of a person.

Whenever Desantis does run for potus, I expect women to come out and claim he raped them. Some will probably say he raped them while his wife was battling cancer. Some people from the military from when Desantis served, will probably come out and throw a bunch of dirty water on him. I believe his reputation will be destroyed, and the only people who support him will he labeled as brainwashed cultists. Sort of like what happened with trump and his supporters.


Won't be anonymous sources. It will be Trump. He's already threatened to dish dirt on DeSantis if he runs.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162907 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:05 am to
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Thanks for the non-answer.


Maybe learn how to read between the lines about what is actually important?
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18352 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:05 am to
No one expects dems and the media to go easy on any rep. There are just some that will challenge and expose them in much more effective ways than just throwing a fit.
Posted by Don Johnson
Member since Dec 2010
522 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:07 am to
DeSantis will play well in NC, Penn, Ohio and Wisconsin.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
59565 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:07 am to
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How'd Trump do, other than bluster?


Well for one, he stopped getting us involved in foreign wars.
Two, he started charging tariffs to China instead of letting them rape us
Three, he made the countries to our south stop shipping illegals into the US under fear of withholding aid.
Thats just off the top of my head
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 10:12 am
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18352 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:08 am to
All things I think DeSantis would continue. And?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
151403 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:10 am to
You don't get it, you never have, you never will. Copying NJTiger as a moderate is so old. The true "moderates" of today broke away from the Liz Cheney republicans.

You may as well grab the flag and wave it of the posters that defended Paul Ryan years ago on this board. Anyone supporting DeSantis as magic right now are ignorant like you, or card -carrying establishment Neocons & Neoliberals causing division. If Ron is the best we got ATM-they are speaking too early.

Again, Ron is a fantastic Governor- they don't want Ron properly vetted, much less that Jeb Bush sponsored Ron's first fundraiser-Or, like you, it seems-- they don't care because they are neverTrumpers posing as moderates, or they are simply ignorant like you.



Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
59565 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:12 am to
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All things I think DeSantis would continue. And?



You have one that did it, and one you hope will. That’s a big difference
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