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re: 3 terrible calls last night by the refs
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:19 am to lostinbr
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:19 am to lostinbr
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He doesn’t have to make a football move. He has to maintain control of the ball long enough to make a football move.
You are talking about a catch.
Recovering a live ball doesn’t require a football move.
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Having two hands on the ball alone is not enough to gain possession, as many offensive linemen have found out after strip/sacks.
In those cases it’s not that the player didn’t have possession it’s that possession may have changed hands a few times in a dog pile
They ruled that we have possession. What is your clear evidence he didn’t have possession when we have still shots of both his hands on the ball and knee down?
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:23 am to gabzooks
I still think that a player should have to establish himself back on the playing field to be able to make a play on the ball..a player out of bounds or touching the ball in live play while out of bounds should be considered an ineligible player therefore he can’t have any effect on ball possession.. it’s a fumble..how can you give the offensive team the ball at that spot and a 1st down if the offensive player never regains possession of the ball??.. if anything the offensive team should b penalized for illegal touching 10-15 yards..
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 9:25 am
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:28 am to OceanMan
If a player steps out of bounds without the ball, he can step back inbounds at any point. However, he cannot touch the ball or impact the game until he has legally returned inbounds by having both feet within the boundary lines
Straight out the rule book for illegal touching. So sounds like they have contradictory rules an need to choose which one makes sense. Obviously if you are out of bounds and a player has the ball in both his hands you shouldn’t be able to knock it out an impact the game from out of bounds
Straight out the rule book for illegal touching. So sounds like they have contradictory rules an need to choose which one makes sense. Obviously if you are out of bounds and a player has the ball in both his hands you shouldn’t be able to knock it out an impact the game from out of bounds
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:37 am to Merchant Tiger
Enough is enough. Those POS refs need to be fired and banned for life.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:42 am to taf
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Brooks had two hands with knee/leg on ground. Play over. The fact that a player knocked the ball loose after that is irrelevant. And that he was out of bounds is also irrelevant. Play already over. That’s why the ref on the spot IMMEDIATELY signaled LSU ball. He saw Brooks with the ball and knee/ body on the ground. And the replay official had to overturn the call on the field. This bullshite about “complete” possession is just that. Completely made up by the TV guy. Brooks grasps the ball with 2 hands while on the ground. Play over.
Exactly this.
Cheaters like to inject vague standards to give them wiggle room to cheat.
If two hands holding the ball with knee down isn’t possession then you’d need some kind of tension/force detector installed inside all footballs to gauge the degree of possession, for fricks sake.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:52 am to Turbeauxdog
HERKINS WAS BEING DRUG DOWN BY HIS frickING FACEMASK WHILE HE HAD 1 HAND ON BRYCE YOUNG BEFORE THEIR TD!!!
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:06 am to extremetigerfanatic
It's a horrible rule and benefits the team that made a mistake. I would say the same if LSU had fumbled.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:14 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You are talking about a catch.
Recovering a live ball doesn’t require a football move.
I literally cited the exact rule that says the same criteria apply to recoveries.
I also said, twice, that he doesn’t have to actually make a football move. He has to have control of the ball long enough to do so.
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In those cases it’s not that the player didn’t have possession it’s that possession may have changed hands a few times in a dog pile
I’m talking about cases where an OL grabs the ball with two hands, has a knee or elbow on the ground, but can’t maintain control.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:35 am to OceanMan
All good points. To me, if the offensive player is out of bounds, then is the first to touch the ball, then the ball is dead just like it went out of bounds. That is the intent of the rule.
Once the ball is touched by a player on the field, it seems like he would not be eligible to continue to participate in the recovery of the fumble, without first re-establishing himself back in bounds.
If the ball is possessed by the defense, now the fumbler is able to tackle, etc, even if he’s completely out of bounds. That’s how the rule seems to read.
Once the ball is touched by a player on the field, it seems like he would not be eligible to continue to participate in the recovery of the fumble, without first re-establishing himself back in bounds.
If the ball is possessed by the defense, now the fumbler is able to tackle, etc, even if he’s completely out of bounds. That’s how the rule seems to read.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:37 am to Prominentwon
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didn’t get to see it because I was in the stadium, but I was getting bombarded with text after Young’s miracle scramble/TD where 54 got away with a blatant hold and it wasn’t called. Was this accurate?
He held Perkins with one hand on the jersey and one on the face mask pulling him down.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:37 am to Earnest_P
Same player launched at a defenseless receiver a couple plays earlier. Appeared to be legit targeting
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:40 am to OceanMan
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The sec has already stated they used rule 4 section 2 article 3
BUT the ruling on the field was an LSU recovery and there must be conclusive evidence to overturn. 100%
Here whatever touch the bammer made did not change the trajectory and from the angles we saw it wasn’t 100% conclusive that he touched it. It’s possible that he went to grab it and missed.
Same as the tipped ball. But the refs enforced the “conclusive” definition differently on the two calls.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:40 am to lostinbr
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I’m talking about cases where an OL grabs the ball with two hands, has a knee or elbow on the ground, but can’t maintain control.
I need to see examples of that happening.
I would like to see previous evidence of someone with two hands firmly around the ball with a knee down that was not considered possession in college football. The rules are different in the NFL because they have to be touched as down.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:43 am to Merchant Tiger
I don't believe that the ball was tipped....but, yes, some of the officiating was spotty, at times....
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:47 am to Merchant Tiger
I expected nothing less. That was one reason why Kelly went for two.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:50 am to cphill
The point on the mond call and really all the terrible calls like the Peterson int all lead to the video review crew was has been hand picked by a Tuscaloosa native, alum, former bama player, manager, or assistant not clear (and admittedly a former REC member) who would allow that shite. Would Ohio stare let Michigan pick the video refs?
It’s clear they cherry pick rules and reviews to favor one certain team year after year
It’s clear they cherry pick rules and reviews to favor one certain team year after year
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:52 am to cphill
You could see the tip of the players glove bend back when he touched it.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:55 am to SulphursFinest
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And missed
He missed the head, but he absolutely made contact with Daniels which is 15 yards unnecessary roughness. It was not targeting, but it 100% was a late hit on a sliding QB.
His intent was also 100% targeting.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 10:56 am
Posted on 11/6/22 at 10:56 am to Merchant Tiger
You can easily make the case the fumble is LSU’s ball regardless of the rule. LSU has the ball on the ground with two hands, ie. in possession, and the out of bounds bama player reaches in knocking the ball free
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