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re: dont shite on denbrock

Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:59 am to
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:59 am to
I agree that the game plan was based off what they thought Daniels could handle successfully. I didn’t see Daniels check out of anything though, which is unusual for a 4th year starter. Did they tell him run it like we call it or did he just not read the blitzes? There were some underneath routes wide open at times that Daniels never looked at. I think it’s too early to put all the blame on Denbrock but we will know for sure in the next couple of games.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4705 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:01 am to
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RPOs require a quick trigger, and for 3.5 quarters Daniels would not let the ball go. Run RPO with a QB who holds it for a second too long and it's a disaster.

This is just a horrendous take. I don’t even know where to begin
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27322 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:02 am to
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Oline holds up well enough. Boutte is about to come wide open across the middle and the mid out to the right (I think that's Bech) doesn't have anyone within 10 yards. There's a decent chance Bech scores if the ball gets to him there.

Another miss by Daniels.


I remember that play. His was suppose to get the ball to taylor or the receiver. He wasn't even looking to the opposite site of the field.

That is why he took off when taylor got held up and couldn't free himself. Him getting held up caused the route off of that to be covered. It was bad timing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423521 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:03 am to
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RPOs require a quick trigger, and for 3.5 quarters Daniels would not let the ball go.

Because our offense was, for some insane reason, trying for big plays.

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Run RPO with a QB who holds it for a second too long and it's a disaster.

This won't happen, though. That's the whole point.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44021 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:03 am to
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This is just a horrendous take. I don’t even know where to begin


Coming the guy wondering why Denbrock isn't shoehorning Daniels into an offense or why he's not running screens with an Oline that can't even get their pass protections correct.

Interesting.
Posted by Mirer
Member since Dec 2021
85 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:03 am to
Kelly didn't fire him. The ad at Notre Dame fired him after a 4-8 season.

Pretty sure Denbrock was in Kelly's wedding.

Denbrock calls the plays but don't be fooled. It's Kelly's offense. Whoever you replace him with will also be calling plays for Kelly who can over ride him.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14870 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:04 am to
We’re ranked #8 in team talent LINK. If we finish unranked that is by definition on coaching.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4705 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:05 am to
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This won't happen, though. That's the whole point.

I don’t even know how to begin to get these points across. He is upset at Daniels for missing “hot reads” but thinks he isn’t decisive enough to run RPO.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
7897 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:05 am to
They need somebody to blame instead of saying Kelly did a piss poor job having this team prepared. People have been worshiping him since he got here so they are unable to admit what is so obvious because they feel it will make them look dumb.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44021 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:05 am to
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Because our offense was, for some insane reason, trying for big plays.


They were for the first half. The 2nd half, especially end of the 3rd and 4th quarters, were more up tempo.

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This won't happen, though. That's the whole point.


Daniels held the ball too long for most of the game. I'm not sure how you can say he won't hold it too long with RPOs as well.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29267 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:06 am to
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Denbrock calls the plays but don't be fooled. It's Kelly's offense.


sunday night did not look anything like kelly's offenses
Posted by ThurlNoonkester
Member since Jun 2022
439 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:06 am to
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They are paid to do a job at which they did not prepare for.


You tried to use proper grammar. I’ll give you that.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27322 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:07 am to
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Screens.....You want LSU to run screens. Screens are notoriously difficult to execute properly, and LSU's Oline can't even get simple pass protections right. C'mon man.


Yeah, they ran a screen early in the game and it looked kinda sloppy. I do think his run game was very vanilla.

Run some motion. Fake a handoff and run misdirection. Have to get the defense on it's heels. We weren't dictating terms to them.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44021 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:07 am to
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I don’t even know how to begin to get these points across. He is upset at Daniels for missing “hot reads” but thinks he isn’t decisive enough to run RPO.


Daniels missed easy reads all night, and even when he saw them it wasn't until the 4th quarter that he started getting the ball out quickly. Nothing suggests that he would be successful running RPOs, and apparently the offensive coaches don't believe so either.

Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73213 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:09 am to
one fricking game he maybe has 25% of playbook in. that is all canada had in against BYU n 2017

line sucked he has to scheme around it and make adjustments now. also depends on what his Qb can and cannot do. think man
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44021 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:10 am to
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Yeah, they ran a screen early in the game and it looked kinda sloppy. I do think his run game was very vanilla.

Run some motion. Fake a handoff and run misdirection. Have to get the defense on it's heels. We weren't dictating terms to them.


Exactly. Screens are a horrible idea seeing how bad the line was with simple protections.

Getting Daniels out of the pocket seems like a good idea, but who knows.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4705 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:10 am to
Look man you just simply don’t understand the concept. The hot reads you wanted him to hit were reads based off of knowing the coverage of the entire defense. RPO keys in on one player. It is one read. A guy who is struggling to read coverages is a perfect candidate for an RPO. It completely simplifies entire coverages down to one player.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44021 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:12 am to
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Look man you just simply don’t understand the concept. The hot reads you wanted him to hit were reads based off of knowing the coverage of the entire defense. RPO keys in on one player. It is one read. A guy who is struggling to read coverages is a perfect candidate for an RPO. It completely simplifies entire coverages down to one player.


I understand RPO. I just watched a QB hesitant to pull the trigger when his receivers were wide open all night and don't think he can execute the RPO because of that. You know, because he has to pull the trigger quickly.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the coaches clearly don't think he can do it either. Not Cooper and SlowFloPro clearly know better though, so who are we to argue.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 11:14 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423521 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:13 am to
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The 2nd half, especially end of the 3rd and 4th quarters, were more up tempo.

Yes when we went down 2 scores we finally spread things out and played at a faster tempo. 1 quarter.

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Daniels held the ball too long for most of the game

Because our offense was running the antithesis of a 1-read (RPO or R-O) offense. You run a different offense and you'll get different results (just like when we ditched the condensed formations for spread and slow playstyle for faster playing).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423521 posts
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:13 am to
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one fricking game he maybe has 25% of playbook in.

This is unacceptable.

He's had months to install his playbook.

Modern offenses don't take long to install everything. Leach does it in about 2 weeks.
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