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2 questions about student loan forgiveness

Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:06 am
Posted by gumbeaux
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:06 am
The answers may not be known yet. My son graduated with $36,000 in student loans and had whittled it down to $6000 before the pauses began. So it appears the remainder of his loan will be forgiven.

1. Will he need to claim the $6000 as income on his tax return?
2. Will the forgiven loan somehow negatively affect his credit?

TIA
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 11:13 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Will he need to claim the $6000 as income on his tax return?


Don't think so.

quote:

Will the forgiven loan somehow affect his credit?


Yes. Would impact it in the same way it would if he sent in a 6000 payment.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53800 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:46 am to
Not sure it's been fully explained yet.

I figured the government would set up a site where you would submit your info and it would be forgiven directly from the government and a new notice would be sent to you.

That seems easier than making people put it on taxes.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

1. Will he need to claim the $6000 as income on his tax return?


Generally, no. He isn't receiving that as income nor is he even acting as a passthrough, his debt is simply being forgiven. I don't think the specifics have come out yet, but I simply can't see the current (or any) administration forgiving large loan amounts and then telling the IRS to classify it as taxable income.

quote:

2. Will the forgiven loan somehow negatively affect his credit?


Quite the opposite, he will appear to have paid his loan off quite early (many years ago I think such an early payoff may have been reported negatively though).
Posted by CalcuttaTigah
Member since Jul 2009
973 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:18 pm to
Loan forgiveness is typically taxable but we shall see. Just Google “Loan Forgiveness IRS”.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:22 pm to
It depends on the mechanics.

If the government is paying the loan, then it isn't forgiven. It is paid as agreed (by a different payor).

If there is "forgiveness" on the debt, it generally shows forbearance on the credit report and negatively effects the credit.

And "forgiveness" of a debt is generally taxable income (and an expense write off for the bank).

I have no clue how this is structured. But the media and people rarely use words to their proper meaning.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37384 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:26 pm to
Yall are trying to make this more complicated than it is. The government owns these loans, they aren't going to make the forgiveness taxable. It won't be that dissimilar from the stimulus payments. They'll probably issue you a form you'll need report on your tax return and you'll see your outstounding loan amount decrease.
Posted by Eyeball
TX
Member since Oct 2006
474 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:28 pm to
Here is the website they set up to provide info on the program LINK
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:31 pm to
They are using 2020/2021 tax returns that many borrowers have to submit for payment information for the SL. It's going to be automatic when and they will just look at who qualifies based on that.
Posted by BayooBandit
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Jan 2005
476 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:38 pm to
Enter the 87,000 new IRS agents to collect!
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
7679 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:44 pm to
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. I've heard this may get shot down in court.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
40263 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:52 pm to
quote:


1. Will he need to claim the $6000 as income on his tax return?


American Rescue Plan act from last year made all student loan forgiveness tax-free through 2025.

But this is for federal taxes. If you are in a state that does not have rolling conformity to state taxes... your state MAY tax this. Unless they pass their own bill to make it state tax exempt.

Louisiana starts with federal AGI... so it will NOT be taxable in LA under current law.

quote:

Will the forgiven loan somehow negatively affect his credit?


I would assume the credit reporting agencies will report this as a payment and not as a settlement. If the reduction pays off the student loan, it will be indicated as paid and closed.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1491 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:59 pm to
The President cannot waive his wand via EO and spend the funds in the Treasury, it's not a power of the executive branch. Unless Biden proposes a bill to Congress, nothing will get done. (He's not doing that because it's so unpopular and it wouldn't pass if he did propose a bill.)

Like the CDC moratorium on rent, it's completely unconstitutional. I think Biden's plan is to get loan forgiveness via executive order struck down by Supreme Court intentionally so he can have momentum to pack the court by 2024.

Plus, actually spending money to forgive loans ruins any future support from those who would support this lunacy anyway, but the promise of forgiveness keeps borrowers voting for Democrats indefinitely.

There are no timelines on that website beyond Step 1 for a reason!
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 1:01 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
40263 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

The President cannot waive his wand via EO and spend the funds in the Treasury


This only involves student loans that the federal government owns.

It simply makes an accounting entry.

Debit Loss Due to Forgiveness for 300B
Credit Student Loan Receivables for 300B.

To the extent the fedgov has any actual admin costs of the program... it will simply come out of the budget of the Dept of Education.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37384 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

This only involves student loans that the federal government owns.

It simply makes an accounting entry.

Debit Loss Due to Forgiveness for 300B
Credit Student Loan Receivables for 300B.

To the extent the fedgov has any actual admin costs of the program... it will simply come out of the budget of the Dept of Education.


This was what I was going to bring up. I'm not sure all of the mechanics of this so I'm really not sure, but me telling you I don't have to pay me back isn't the same thing as me paying you money.

We'll see if he's able to do it or not, but it's not a cash outflow as much as it's an accounting entry to "bad debt" for lack of a better term
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1491 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:24 pm to
No matter the accounting treatment (writing off a receivable at the DOE vs spending money from the Treasury), the executive branch cannot do things via executive order that aren't based on laws that exist based on Congressional action. If you can point to a law that allows forgiveness on a whim, everyone would be interested to hear it.

Obama tried to govern by executive order in his first 2 years and was shot down every single time by the Supreme Court. I think Obama got struck down 13 times out of 13 before 2010. Biden tried to extend the CDC moratorium (and acknowledged he didn't have the authority to do so in public statements) but the supreme court said no.

Edit: Even Nancy Pelosi agrees with me! NY Post - 7/28/21
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted by NEMizzou
Columbia MO
Member since Nov 2013
1372 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Loan forgiveness is typically taxable but we shall see. Just Google “Loan Forgiveness IRS”.


Although this is true generally, I had my loans forgiven under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program last year; the IRS put out specific guidance for this program that said it would not be considered a taxable event (and I received forgiveness of a lot bigger balance than $10k so thank God). I can't imagine they would handle this any differently, since they're both federal student loan forgiveness programs.

That being said, never underestimate the government's ability to screw something up.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37384 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

No matter the accounting treatment (writing off a receivable at the DOE vs spending money from the Treasury), the executive branch cannot do things via executive order that aren't based on laws that exist based on Congressional action. If you can point to a law that allows forgiveness on a whim, everyone would be interested to hear it.


Im not necessarily disagreeing with you. Again, I don't know the actual mechanics of how they are trying to get this done. If it were cash outflow it'd be a lot more simple becuase of course congress controls spending, but it's not.

Seems like political suicide to waive such a big carrot if you know you have no chance of actually doing it.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1491 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

Seems like political suicide to waive such a big carrot if you know you have no chance of actually doing it.


The only value of loan forgiveness is dangling the carrot out there indefinitely to keep your base engaged in the short term and/or achieve a larger goal (packing the Court in 2022-2024 so governing via Executive Orders can succeed in the future).

Biden is a 1-term illegitimate president and Dems will struggle to win future elections, so jamming through as many liberal wishes as possible (with no regard for the Constitution) is the overriding goal of the administration.

Those who benefit are mostly wealthier, white college-educated liberals who would vote Democrat anyway, who are also the Dems' only hope to stem a likely midterm bloodbath.

The $10,000 won't really affect those who'd benefit from the forgiveness but securing their motivation for 2022 and 2024 is greater, plus the long term pushback from actually succeeding would be far worse. Even Pelosi acknowledged pushing this would be difficult and unpopular.

This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Roy Curado
Member since Jul 2021
1446 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 2:02 pm to
The forgiven debt will not be counted as taxable income. The forgiven loan will positively impact his credit (less DTI and general debt).
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