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re: LSU Baseball 2023 (and beyond) Recruiting Thread - Old Thread - Please unpin
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:10 am to nicholastiger
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:10 am to nicholastiger
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They definitely need a big bat to protect White and hopefully Jared Jones will make a big jump
Theoretically we have a bunch of "Big Bats" in Jones, Frey, and possibly Travinski. I say theoretically because we'd need those guys to take a step forward and prove their ability over a full season.
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:12 am to nicholastiger
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As bad as little was he will still likely get drafted
Not as high as he wants but still drafted
Yeah... does that pertain to anything I said? I'm sure he'll get drafted somewhere. He's got a lot to work on, for sure.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:12 am to Bert Macklin FBI
The worst part about following baseball recruiting (especially portal kids) is it's impossible to know who you really "missed on" unless you see visits reported or anything. Jordan has followed 60 guys on twitter probably. They certainly aren't pushing for every person we're connected too. Probably guys like Fisher, Shelton, Burns etc it's just a matter of not knowing anything from the time we suspect "interest" to a decision. My guess is it's less than 5 guys we truly just didn't get that we really really wanted.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:13 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Shelton went to UF
Peebles Snead and Amick picked Tenn
Fischer picked Ole Miss
One of those guys we had zero evidence of current contact.
Three of them we did little more than kick the tires.
Snead is the only one that could be considered a loss as I think we actually had him in for a visit.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:15 am to Lester Earl
Partially agree, but a coach can collect a bunch of talent that doesn't gel as a team. The football a&m team comes to mind. We could go too far with the portal at the expense of growing outstanding high schoolers. I think there is some validity to Baytiger's post. Not sure if Jay just caught lightning in a bottle, but this team sure gelled together well. Hope he pulls the right triggers again.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:17 am to SoloTiger
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Unless you were Paul Skeenes the SEC umps were a big factor for pretty much every pitcher in the SEC this past year.
Chase Dollander was not the same pitcher. IMO that was due in large part to the tight strike zone. He didn't forget how to pitch.
I think everyone is forgetting one huge factor that, to me, seems pretty relevant. The balls were juiced beyond reason. Balls were flying in a way that they simply should not have been. The zones were tighter, and it had some effect. I've got downvotes and replies that all seem to indicate that no one really read what I said. I said "It's more than just the strike zone". Because, yeah, it had an effect. But not as much as I think some want to believe, and people are also ignoring the juiced balls.
The sped up pace was also new to everyone, and I'm not sure everyone adjusted very well to that, either.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:18 am to josh336
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Likely one of jones or frey would need to be backup catcher if both milazzo and travinski left. Id lean jones.
Both Jay and Jones have said that the intention is to move Jones back to Catcher for next season. I would expect Jones and Neal to rotate at the catcher position and when Jones is not catching hes either at 1st or DH.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:18 am to Metaloctopus
Unless someone watched every game Cortez pitched, it’s kind of a useless exercise. I, and I assume most in this thread watched every pitch from Thatcher Hurd and Christian Little. Hurd was definitely impacted by the SEC zone(I also think his mechanics were off probably due to injury rehab and he didn’t do a great job of keeping his cool). Little wasn’t much to do with the zone, he was just bad.
Is Cortez closer to Hurd or Little? I doubt anyone here can answer that. HOWEVER, Nate Yeskie can 100% answer that.
So take him, no question.
I’d also add that Ty Floyd was a zone victim in SEC play while Riley Cooper really wasn’t. Not every pitcher was impacted the same.
Is Cortez closer to Hurd or Little? I doubt anyone here can answer that. HOWEVER, Nate Yeskie can 100% answer that.
So take him, no question.
I’d also add that Ty Floyd was a zone victim in SEC play while Riley Cooper really wasn’t. Not every pitcher was impacted the same.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:20 am to KWL85
They don’t recruit for chemistry, they recruit for talent. The same way with Cortez, they don’t recruit the numbers, they recruit the arm.
Then once in the program, the fundamental core values will hopefully come together. Jay is a process guy, and he trusts it.
Then once in the program, the fundamental core values will hopefully come together. Jay is a process guy, and he trusts it.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:22 am to Metaloctopus
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I think everyone is forgetting one huge factor that, to me, seems pretty relevant. The balls were juiced beyond reason. Balls were flying in a way that they simply should not have been. The zones were tighter, and it had some effect. I've got downvotes and replies that all seem to indicate that no one really read what I said. I said "It's more than just the strike zone". Because, yeah, it had an effect. But not as much as I think some want to believe, and people are also ignoring the juiced balls.
The sped up pace was also new to everyone, and I'm not sure everyone adjusted very well to that, either.
All of these things were huge, and probably shouldn't have all been implemented in the same season. The tighter zone squeezed pitchers into grooving the juiced balls for guys to crush.
And if they walked guys, they got more tired more quickly and mechanics degraded faster, creating a death spiral because of the timer.
I think, in general, we will see pitching be a little better next year as everyone will have gone through this and know a little better how to combat it. From the players to the coaches to the umpires.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:25 am to DBG
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Unless someone watched every game Cortez pitched, it’s kind of a useless exercise. I, and I assume most in this thread watched every pitch from Thatcher Hurd and Christian Little. Hurd was definitely impacted by the SEC zone(I also think his mechanics were off probably due to injury rehab and he didn’t do a great job of keeping his cool). Little wasn’t much to do with the zone, he was just bad.
Is Cortez closer to Hurd or Little? I doubt anyone here can answer that. HOWEVER, Nate Yeskie can 100% answer that.
So take him, no question.
When Hurd was walking everyone, he wasn't close most of the time. I mean, it was bad. But you saw him later in the year, in SEC games, start to reel it back in. A wider zone helps any pitcher, but it shouldn't keep you from being able to still be competitive.
Cortez's numbers show that he was bad. I don't think one needs to do a deep film study. To what extent he was impacted by the strike zone is irrelevant to me, when you are that bad. But, again, YES, you take him. I have no problem with it. I was responding earlier to a claim that people were only selectively judging pitcher performance, when it seems to me that the poor performance speaks for itself, with an ERA over 7 and a walk per inning average. I'm not suggesting he can't be fixed, or that we shouldn't try.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:25 am to Lester Earl
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They don’t recruit for chemistry, they recruit for talent.
They have to make sure the guy makes the team better from a talent standpoint and doesn't make the team worse from a chemistry standpoint. They've said as much.s
I know that's not necessarily disputing what you're saying, just adding context.n
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:26 am to Metaloctopus
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I think everyone is forgetting one huge factor that, to me, seems pretty relevant. The balls were juiced beyond reason. Balls were flying in a way that they simply should not have been. The zones were tighter, and it had some effect. I've got downvotes and replies that all seem to indicate that no one really read what I said. I said "It's more than just the strike zone". Because, yeah, it had an effect. But not as much as I think some want to believe, and people are also ignoring the juiced balls.
The balls were 100% juiced, no question. The tighter zone and juiced balls were definitely the biggest two factors in the ERA being higher across the board.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:28 am to ProjectP2294
I don’t think they actively seek out shite bags but I also think Jay trusts that he can get anyone to buy in. And if not, with the way the transfer portal is, there really isn’t any harm or foul with that method. Cause you can just push them on their way
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:29 am to IM_4_LSU
Oh yea. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen so many .400 hitters in a season. It’s like hitting .315 is just ok now.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:29 am to ProjectP2294
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All of these things were huge, and probably shouldn't have all been implemented in the same season. The tighter zone squeezed pitchers into grooving the juiced balls for guys to crush.
And if they walked guys, they got more tired more quickly and mechanics degraded faster, creating a death spiral because of the timer.
I think, in general, we will see pitching be a little better next year as everyone will have gone through this and know a little better how to combat it. From the players to the coaches to the umpires.
Yeah, I agree with that, entirely. I think it was a combination of a lot of new things. And for some guys, they were also just bad on top of that, as we saw that there were in fact pitchers (not just Skenes) who still had success.
I hope they do something about the balls, though. I know the pace is here to stay, and I guess the strike zone as well. But as much as I like hitting home runs, I don't like seeing pop ups leave the yard against us, and I'm sure pitchers would agree.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:32 am to Metaloctopus
See, I disagree about Hurd. I never thought he was THAT far off, even with his horrific outings. Little never seemed close.
But that’s besides the point. We all agree. Cortez is a take and if he can be a solid bullpen arm, it’s a win.
But that’s besides the point. We all agree. Cortez is a take and if he can be a solid bullpen arm, it’s a win.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:33 am to BayTiger13
Cortez has thrown nearly all fastballs over his career, much like Floyd did until this season. He just hasn't had a feel for an off speed. You can just tunnel his pitches, take balls, barrel the heat. We had trouble with him last but had a better approach this year.
I think his floor is a bullpen guy that can blow a few guys away and turn it over to somebody else. His ceiling is, well, a Ty Floyd type emergence.
Take, take, take. Again, Yeskie knows him, knows what he can and can't do.
I think his floor is a bullpen guy that can blow a few guys away and turn it over to somebody else. His ceiling is, well, a Ty Floyd type emergence.
Take, take, take. Again, Yeskie knows him, knows what he can and can't do.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:36 am to Metaloctopus
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I hope they do something about the balls, though. I know the pace is here to stay, and I guess the strike zone as well. But as much as I like hitting home runs, I don't like seeing pop ups leave the yard against us, and I'm sure pitchers would agree.
The balls are juiced in MLB as well so I don't think thats going to change. I think the zone is what needs to be adjusted. Up to the SEC Championship The Announcers said that the trackman stats for strikes and balls were concerning because only 94% of balls in the zone were called strikes. That is what needs to changed.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:38 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Shelton went to UF
Peebles Snead and Amick picked Tenn
Fischer picked Ole Miss
The only one LSU had any contact with was Snead who was already in the portal while LSU was finishing up their championship.
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