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How Would You Handle? Employee spends too much on company card. But is top producer...
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:23 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:23 am
I have not said anything yet and not sure if I am going to say anything.
We are a small business. One of our employee's crushes it and makes a ton of money for the company.
We have per diem rules in place for everyone ($125 a day) and he really just ignores them completely.
Last night he dropped $250 at high end steak house for dinner alone.
If this were an average producer, I would be raining hail fire but this guy is probably triple in revenue than the next closest guy.
I don't mind rewarding him but seeing him completely disregard the per diem rule has me feeling uneasy.
Is this an ego thing on my end and I should leave this alone or should I talk to him? I really don't want to rock the boat as I said he is a top producer.
We are a small business. One of our employee's crushes it and makes a ton of money for the company.
We have per diem rules in place for everyone ($125 a day) and he really just ignores them completely.
Last night he dropped $250 at high end steak house for dinner alone.
If this were an average producer, I would be raining hail fire but this guy is probably triple in revenue than the next closest guy.
I don't mind rewarding him but seeing him completely disregard the per diem rule has me feeling uneasy.
Is this an ego thing on my end and I should leave this alone or should I talk to him? I really don't want to rock the boat as I said he is a top producer.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:24 am to I Love Bama
perks are for winners
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 8:04 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:24 am to I Love Bama
You better get Chad in line. If not next thing you know your kids are calling him Daddy
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:24 am to I Love Bama
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We have per diem rules in place for everyone ($125 a day) and he really just ignores them completely.
Last night he dropped $250 at high end steak house for dinner alone.
Sounds like you work for him and not the other way around.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:25 am to I Love Bama
If you have a rule, enforce it.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:25 am to I Love Bama
Was he taking a client out for dinner? Is he gonna close a big deal worth way more than a couple hundred bucks?
Rules are there to limit the losses of losers. Winners bend them to win the game.
Rules are there to limit the losses of losers. Winners bend them to win the game.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:25 am to I Love Bama
If this in finance that's in violation of FINRA rules baw.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:25 am to I Love Bama
I thought you were just a landlord now and just traveled all over?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:26 am to I Love Bama
Don’t let a penny hold up a dollar.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:26 am to I Love Bama
"Hey man, I don't mind you treating yourself every now and then since you have earned it, but try to keep most of the meals within the per diem limit."
If your other employees find out you let him slide, they will start to as well.
If your other employees find out you let him slide, they will start to as well.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:26 am to I Love Bama
Does it average out to $125/day overall?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:26 am to I Love Bama
I'd treat it like I do with my kids.
Sometimes, rules can be flexible and make sure he knows that. BUT, he has to understand you know about it and are choosing to allow it. Moving forward, anything over the $125 is acceptable but only 50% of whatever is over $125 will be approved and he can cover the rest himself up to $____.
Sometimes, rules can be flexible and make sure he knows that. BUT, he has to understand you know about it and are choosing to allow it. Moving forward, anything over the $125 is acceptable but only 50% of whatever is over $125 will be approved and he can cover the rest himself up to $____.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 7:27 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:26 am to I Love Bama
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raining hail fire
That would be something to see.
And did he spend $250 solo or was he entertaining clients?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:27 am to I Love Bama
If he's making you a ton of money why are you sweating over $125?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:27 am to I Love Bama
i can only hope that you have a good (professional and personal) relationship with this person. Assuming that is accurate, then laughingly mention it.
"Dude, is that really necessary? You know if you did not produce the numbers that you produce, then this would be a very different conversation."
In the case that your company has profit sharing....that is an easy point to make. He is cutting into profits by his elevated spending.
You are over thinking the sh!t out of this.
"Dude, is that really necessary? You know if you did not produce the numbers that you produce, then this would be a very different conversation."
In the case that your company has profit sharing....that is an easy point to make. He is cutting into profits by his elevated spending.
You are over thinking the sh!t out of this.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:29 am to I Love Bama
Bring it up in private. Don’t make a huge deal about it, but let him know $250 for a single meal is egregious and that it shouldn’t happen again.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:31 am to I Love Bama
This guy is going to quit and go to a competitor who won't care if he spends an extra $125 to bring in the business
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 7:32 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:35 am to I Love Bama
I've been on both sides of that equation and it is not an easy answer. Here are a few thoughts, not in order.
1. Is any of that going to customer dinners? I am generous with customers that (a) spend a lot, (b) are having problems with us IE late or warranty, (c) first order, (d) Christmas. I find this comes back around big time.
2. Is the employee frustrated? I find myself and other salesmen are more apt blow out the expense account when the main office is not keeping up. I would consider a discussion with your salesman about his satisfaction level. Is there any dead wood in the office? Are things late? Is the quality compromised? Is the customer happy?
3. If things are good and he just considers it justifiable to buy steaks based on his stellar performance, you have two options: (a) suck it up, it's better than paying two more employees and their healthcare and travel costs; (b) reinvent his comp plan. Give him a variable overall budget related to revenue, profit, days on the road, etc... rather than a flat per diem. You can build in many factors and benefits here other than per diem. You are essentially making him the owner/CEO of his own small profit center. If he wants to blow out $250/night on steaks, it comes out of his P&L and affects his comp.
This will not only reinforce good spending habits, you may actually see nights on the road go down, mileage, etc... and more problem solving when it comes to the big picture. If he feels someone in the home office is sluffing off, he will be more incentivized to address the issue with you or go right to the source and attempt to problem solve.
1. Is any of that going to customer dinners? I am generous with customers that (a) spend a lot, (b) are having problems with us IE late or warranty, (c) first order, (d) Christmas. I find this comes back around big time.
2. Is the employee frustrated? I find myself and other salesmen are more apt blow out the expense account when the main office is not keeping up. I would consider a discussion with your salesman about his satisfaction level. Is there any dead wood in the office? Are things late? Is the quality compromised? Is the customer happy?
3. If things are good and he just considers it justifiable to buy steaks based on his stellar performance, you have two options: (a) suck it up, it's better than paying two more employees and their healthcare and travel costs; (b) reinvent his comp plan. Give him a variable overall budget related to revenue, profit, days on the road, etc... rather than a flat per diem. You can build in many factors and benefits here other than per diem. You are essentially making him the owner/CEO of his own small profit center. If he wants to blow out $250/night on steaks, it comes out of his P&L and affects his comp.
This will not only reinforce good spending habits, you may actually see nights on the road go down, mileage, etc... and more problem solving when it comes to the big picture. If he feels someone in the home office is sluffing off, he will be more incentivized to address the issue with you or go right to the source and attempt to problem solve.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:38 am to I Love Bama
Google IRS Publication 1542. There are set max rates (and the IRS lists the actual cities and times of the year where/when they appy) and anything above that has to reported as income. Tell him your CPA is making you go legit.
Top Producers need to be rewarded but if you want a way out and want to stay legit then you have it.
Top Producers need to be rewarded but if you want a way out and want to stay legit then you have it.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:38 am to I Love Bama
You can’t just ignore it altogether, though. Pull him in for an informal chat and let him know that you recognize his contributions and are fine with stretching things a bit in recognition of those contributions but doubling the per diem in one meal is a bit much.
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