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re: My wife and I had an abortion. AMA
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:13 pm to BigTimer085
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:13 pm to BigTimer085
quote:I can’t remember the exact number, but self defense killings are around this percentage of all killings in America. I’m sure glad they carved this out in the law, and didn’t just say “meh, self defense only accounts for 0.1% of murders so who cares”
merciful. I'm just trying to draw awareness to the reality of situations that are brushed aside as "oh, that only like 0.1% of all abortions though."
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:13 pm to DVinBR
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any sensible state government
High hopes these days
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:14 pm to TDTOM
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Nothing that happened last Thursday has changed anything that you just mentioned.
I know, but you are being obtuse if you think yesterday's decision isn't the beginning of a new battle.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:16 pm to hojo
Yep horrible situation to be in for ya'll and many. Thais why I support the decision for the Dobbs case and reversing RVW at eh federal level. States can carve out and do what ever each state wants to. Or prohibit it all together.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:17 pm to BigTimer085
I’m very sorry for your loss and the terrible decision you had to make.
However, the majority of the people at the abortion clinics are there to get rid of unwanted pregnancies.
I don’t know what to say about how the laws should regulate your experience - there are so many different stories and reasons
However, the majority of the people at the abortion clinics are there to get rid of unwanted pregnancies.
I don’t know what to say about how the laws should regulate your experience - there are so many different stories and reasons
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:17 pm to Vamos Brandonos
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You do realize you could have just carried the baby and let nature take its course
I know it wasn't explicitly stated but OP is a human male not a seahorse.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:17 pm to BigTimer085
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I know, but you are being obtuse if you think yesterday's decision isn't the beginning of a new battle.
And you're being obtuse if you don't think this battle has been ongoing since before Roe v Wade.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:18 pm to BigTimer085
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There are hundreds of stories similar to ours on the message board Endingwantedpregnancies.com. they are all tragic, and they all are very hard to read.
There were 630,000 abortions alone in 2021.
While your situation was terrible, you are not the norm. Not even in the 1%.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:18 pm to BigTimer085
The problem now is that there's a huge legislative gap. Both sides have been passing ridiculous virtue signaling bills for 30 years with the expectation that it would never matter. So now we have 9 month abortions legal in some states, and no abortions at all allowed in others. Court made the right call legally in my opinion but there's a huge gap that the state legislators will have to deal with.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:19 pm to BigTimer085
For something as obvious as that nobody should have to fly out of state for such procedure. This world is already cutthroat and I'm not gonna "wait and see" then find out the doctors were right all along and the quality of life is shite.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:20 pm to BigTimer085
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I know, but you are being obtuse if you think yesterday's decision isn't the beginning of a new battle.
Battle for what? Because just a few months ago the battle was to remove the term mother and make it birthing person because men could also give birth.
So, what is the fricking battle? This whole damn country is a fricking reality show.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:23 pm to RileyTime
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Battle for what? Because just a few months ago the battle was to remove the term mother and make it birthing person because men could also give birth.
this is a non sequitur.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:23 pm to TBoy
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I believe there are a multitude of rights that are fundamental but are not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. Our constitution with its very short bill of rights was never intended to be an exclusive and complete list of fundamental rights. The cop out of this court is the premise that if a right isn’t listed it does not exist.
No, it was not intended to be exclusive. However, it was intended to be an exclusive list of federal powers and restrictions. A “right” is nothing more than a limitation of government (whether it be federal, state, etc.) The constitution does not maintain a right to abortion (I.e. a restriction on political subunits) in their restriction of the process.
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It is a matter of objective truth that neither the constitution nor the law at the time of the drafting of the constitution granted personhood to the unborn.
Nor did it envision a system in which women could medically terminate a pregnancy on a whim.
However, it does specifically mention (along with the DOI) a right to life - which limits the government from taking life without due process AND investing the government an interest in protecting life.
The fact that science has evolved to where we now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that life beings before birth does not alter that reality.
Your argument is ridiculous on its face. The drafters of the constitution had no concept of digital file keeping but still enshrined your 4th Amendment rights to protect you from the government haphazardly meddling in your affairs. The fact that we have technologically evolved to where “papers” are stored on a hard drive doesn’t change the underlying premise of the right.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:24 pm to RileyTime
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While your situation was terrible, you are not the norm. Not even in the 1%.
I understand that. The .1% should have the option easily available though.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:25 pm to BigTimer085
I can cherry pick and share stories where both the mother and the baby had less than a 10% chance of surviving. The parents decided to press forward, and the mother, then birthed the baby at 24 weeks, she survived, and the baby, survived, spent the next 4-5 months in NICU, and is now thriving.
Shall I go into more detail?
Shall I go into more detail?
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:26 pm to AUCE05
You cared enough to read and respond to his post. Lol. Look at me. I don’t care so much I’m gonna take time to respond to his thread to show how much I don’t care!
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:28 pm to GentleJackJones
No, at the time, we read tons of stories related to our condition. Positive and negative. Whether you agree with it or not, we made an informed decision.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:28 pm to BigTimer085
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I understand that. The .1% should have the option easily available though.
This will also open one the Pandora’s boxes on this issue. How bleak must the outlook be for an abortion to be allowed? Yours was clearly bleak but what if it is 50% viability? 75%? What if it is 100% viability but with significant handicap?
And just wait until the rape exception box is opened …
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:31 pm to BigTimer085
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This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 1:32 pm to Antonio Moss
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However, it does specifically mention (along with the DOI) a right to life - which limits the government from taking life without due process AND investing the government an interest in protecting life.
That only applies to what was considered a person at the time of the drafting. Unborn had no personhood.
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