re: Is Jason Kelly legit?

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That’s not how it works at all. I’m assuming you’ve never set foot on a mound because it’s not as simple as forcing someone to learn a new pitch at 22 years old.

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I've spent quite a bit of time on a pitching mound.

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You think they’ve never worked with a pitching coach before? Never attempted to throw a curve before this year? Some guys can and others can’t.

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It's quite common (especially for guys throwing mid to upper 90s) to come to school having never thrown a secondary pitch consistently simply because they didnt have to. Helping these guys develop a secondary pitch is a big part of being a college pitching coach.

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You don’t just magically wake up one day and decide you’re going to throw an SEC-level curveball and extend your outings by 300%+ because your coach tells you to.

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Sure, nobody was suggesting that. Reyzelman was extended last summer. It was clear they were hoping he would be able to lock down a spot in the rotation.

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Physical talent comes into play, mental talent comes into play, comfort comes into play, and a lot of other things do too.

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Agreed. Physical talent is only part of it, but it's the part that is the most easily identifiable when recruiting kids. The fact that we had several arms with the physical talent but, for one reason or another, couldn't put it all together is a little bit concerning. Maybe all those guys are just misses. Maybe they weren't developed. We don't know yet. My point is simply that there is cause for concern.

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baw looks like bert kreischer doppelganger

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He's probably funnier than kreischer too

He seems to be good at the management side of it but his pitch calling leaves a lot to be desired. You can’t just keep pumping fastballs until someone crushes one 400’.

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All of the young pitchers got better.

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This isn't true at all. Lansville didn't get better. Dutton didn't get better. Taylor didn't get better.

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UpToPar

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spent time in the mound my arse. Maybe in tee[ball. All that argument you just made, especially this dumb shite, is fricking moronic.

quote]Physical talent is only part of it, but it's the part that is the most easily identifiable when recruiting kids. The fact that we had several arms with the physical talent but, for one reason or another, couldn't put it all together is a little bit concerning. Maybe all those guys are just misses. Maybe they weren't developed. We don't know yet. My point is simply that there is cause for concern. [/quote]

WHEN DID HE GET RAZ? WHEN? He came off of fricking TJ surgery and before then had THROWN A TOTAL OF 50 fricking innings in college with the longest being 6 in one outing.

How do they build up his stamina, confidence and command? HOW LONG AFTER THAT SURGERY?

Here’s a clue for you chief.. HE MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO DO ANY MORE THAN HE IS SHOWING NOW.

Some of you frickers are just flat out stupid.

Considering PM left the cupboard barren with major depth problems, I'd say he did good considering the circumstances.

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Considering PM left the cupboard barren

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There is it again. Just for context, here's how some of our arms on this team match up with some of LSU's Friday/Saturday starters of the past:

Ty Floyd was the 9th ranked RHP in his class
Blake Money was 36th
Cale Lansville was 27th
Jacob Hasty was 48th
Grant Taylor was 51st
Michael Fowler was 65th

Cole Henry was 29th
Alex Lange was 52nd
Landon Marceaux was 18th
Jaden Hill was 23rd
Aaron Nola was 29th
Jared Poche was 34th LHP

Recruiting is never a perfect science, but in baseball more than in other sports, there is quite a bit of data that allows you to accurately compare one player's natural talent with other members of the class. That doesn't mean that every top 50 pitcher is going to turn out to be Alex Lange, but you would expect at least a few of our top 50 guys to turn into serviceable starters.

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We had several other arms on the staff with Friday night stuff, we just could not develop them into a Friday night starter for one reason or another. Floyd, Reyzelman, Gervase, and even Fontenot and Money have Friday night stuff. That's not considering the freshmen Taylor and Lansville.

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That is two different pitching coaches that haven't been able to turn Fontenot into a starter or consistently effective (like not giving up HRs upon entering games) reliever and Money regressed back to 2021 form after a short positive blip this season. At some point it's the pitcher, not the coach. Kelly is fine, he will do well at LSU. Some of these guys' issues are between their ears, not their arms. LSU weekend starters were lucky to put up 3.1 innings per start this season, that is atrocious.

This is exactly my point….

All I keep hearing is we didnt have any SEC caliber starters, which is true. But the question is why didnt we? We had plenty of guys on staff that were highly recruited/talented pitchers coming out of Hs. Yet none have worked out as starters and many have not even contributed all year and some have regressed. Im not saying it JK’s fault and it may not have anything to do with him but all Im saying is it’s something worth paying attention to. I actually think Kelly is a good coach and is going to work out just fine. He may have to get his guys in but I still feel good about him.

Here’s some stats for all the “we didnt have any legit starter” guys.

Floyd - #9 RHP (2020)
Money - #36 (2020)
Edwards - #608 RHP (2020)
Helmers - #259 RHP (2020)
Fowler - #65 (2020)
Grant Fontenot - #54 RHP (2021)
Lansville - #27 RHP (2021)
Taylor - #51 RHP (2021)
Dutton - #116 RHP (2021)
Hasty - #48 LHP (2019)

In comparison….Southern Miss
Mazza - #77 RHP (2021)
Dawkins - #112 LHP (2021)
Waldrep - #165 RHP (2020)
Hall - #938 RHP (2020)
Storm - #333 LHP (2020)
Best - #21 LHP (2019)
Rhodes - #1022 RHP (2019)
Etheridge - # 533 RHP (2019)

Southern Miss has 3-4 quality arms that would start for us, if not more. But it isn’t because they recruited more talented guys, they have just developed their guys. The pitching coach over there has done a phenomenal job. We obviously haven’t developed our guys. Out of all the highly recruited guys we have on staff there are at least a few that are capable of being quality starters. Maybe this is more on Allen Dunn, maybe we just missed on a lot of these guys and they were over valued. Possibly some are lazy and haven’t been putting in the effort to develop, maybe they haven’t responded to JK well. Idk the frickin answer but your a dumbass if you cant see that my question is valid. Not shitting on our pitching coach, just curious why none of our talent has panned out like expected.

As others have said you can’t grade development in one season.

But pitch calling was suspect - it seemed like he would just have guys throw their best pitch over and over instead of mixing it up. I didn’t see much changing of they eye level or anything like that.

And the 0-2/1-2 hits were killers all year down to the last half inning.