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Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:54 am to SeaBass23
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Can we get a grade on the concessions crew?
Do they have a hand in the food selection? If so, F-
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:23 am to SwampBandit
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no legitimate starters
This just continually gets repeated because Jay Johnson said it and because we were unable to develop a second a third starter.
Hilliard started SEC games every year of his career. He's not a friday night guy, but he's an SEC starter. He was 7-1 this year. He wins 10+ games if he's throwing on Saturday or Sunday.
We had several other arms on the staff with Friday night stuff, we just could not develop them into a Friday night starter for one reason or another. Floyd, Reyzelman, Gervase, and even Fontenot and Money have Friday night stuff. That's not considering the freshmen Taylor and Lansville.
Floyd started to come on at the end of the year and I think we'll have to rely on him to lock down a spot in the rotation next year if he doesnt leave.
Fontenot seems to have gone stagnant and did not progress much between last year and this year. Heading into the season, many hoped that the staff could develop him into a starter. That didn't happen.
Money looked great to start the year but fell off in a big way. Not sure what happened there.
Johnson/Kelly either valued Reyzelman and Gervase in the pen more than starting or could never feel comfortable extending them more than a few innings.
All this to say, we had arm talent on this team, we just couldn't find/develop two more consistent starters to go along with Hilliard.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:28 am to UpToPar
Why did you continuously see fastball after fastball from these pitchers? That’s my issue… both hits off Reyzelman in the 9th were 0-2 counts and fastballs. Pitch calling was so predictable if you know baseball.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:37 am to UpToPar
disagree on those guys having Friday night ace type stuff. Floyd is the closest thing to it. Think about our recent history of true Friday night aces
Landon Marceaux
Jaden Hill
Cole Henry
Alex Lange
Aaron Nola
Kevin Gausman
None of the guys on this years team even come close to the stuff those guys brought to the table. They're capable of having good stuff but not Friday night ace material.
Landon Marceaux
Jaden Hill
Cole Henry
Alex Lange
Aaron Nola
Kevin Gausman
None of the guys on this years team even come close to the stuff those guys brought to the table. They're capable of having good stuff but not Friday night ace material.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:43 am to LSUJML
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Vietmeier spoke highly of him & it seems like the guys respond well to him
this
vietmeier had his best year as a tiger this season
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:44 am to Gbruski2
Homeboy needs to put the fork down
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:45 am to Purpleblooded
doesn't trust them to locate anything else probably. Reyzelman has had every inch of success this season with the fastball. The 0-2 fastballs were just poorly located. Not saying he shouldn't have another pitch in his arsenal but at that point in the season you are who you are and might as well pitch to your strength.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:46 am to ccarrone0313
I agree that we didn't have a Alex Lange, Aaron Nola, or Kevin Gausman on this team, but we had arms to find two more consistent starters.
Reyzelman has plenty of stuff. He just needed to develop of second pitch. That's the pitching coaches job.
I'm not sure why we didn't give Gervase a shot at a starting role. He made the most sense IMO.
Floyd finally made strides with his breaking pitch, but that wasn't until April.
Reyzelman has plenty of stuff. He just needed to develop of second pitch. That's the pitching coaches job.
I'm not sure why we didn't give Gervase a shot at a starting role. He made the most sense IMO.
Floyd finally made strides with his breaking pitch, but that wasn't until April.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:52 am to 4LSU2
Thanks! 
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:52 am to Sanitarium
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Homeboy needs to put the fork down
baw looks like bert kreischer doppelganger
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:56 am to UpToPar
Are we assuming he wasn't working on that with them all season? It's not like the whole team was throwing fastballs.
Hilliard throws 75% offspeed
Collins the same
Cooper throws a good slider
Hasty throws a slider
Taylor throws a nice curveball.
Vit threw a great slider this year
Blake Money fell off because he couldn't locate his offspeed and was leaving low 90s fastball waist high to SEC hitters, I also don't think he was the same after that non conf injury. Same with Devin, he loved to hang that slider belt high in a 0-2 count.
I'm sure they spent all off-season/season working on it but at the end of the day if you can't locate it and really trust it then I don't blame him not calling them at the end of the season. At that point you have to let them live or die with their strength.
It's the pitching coaches job to help you develop it, you still need to go out there and be able to locate and throw it with confidence. If not, he won't call it.
Hilliard throws 75% offspeed
Collins the same
Cooper throws a good slider
Hasty throws a slider
Taylor throws a nice curveball.
Vit threw a great slider this year
Blake Money fell off because he couldn't locate his offspeed and was leaving low 90s fastball waist high to SEC hitters, I also don't think he was the same after that non conf injury. Same with Devin, he loved to hang that slider belt high in a 0-2 count.
I'm sure they spent all off-season/season working on it but at the end of the day if you can't locate it and really trust it then I don't blame him not calling them at the end of the season. At that point you have to let them live or die with their strength.
It's the pitching coaches job to help you develop it, you still need to go out there and be able to locate and throw it with confidence. If not, he won't call it.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:00 am to UpToPar
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Reyzelman has plenty of stuff. He just needed to develop of second pitch. That's the pitching coaches job.
I'm not sure why we didn't give Gervase a shot at a starting role. He made the most sense IMO.
Floyd finally made strides with his breaking pitch, but that wasn't until April.
That’s not how it works at all. I’m assuming you’ve never set foot on a mound because it’s not as simple as forcing someone to learn a new pitch at 22 years old. You think they’ve never worked with a pitching coach before? Never attempted to throw a curve before this year? Some guys can and others can’t.
You don’t just magically wake up one day and decide you’re going to throw an SEC-level curveball and extend your outings by 300%+ because your coach tells you to. Physical talent comes into play, mental talent comes into play, comfort comes into play, and a lot of other things do too. What a ridiculous out-of-touch-with-reality comment
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:01 am to UpToPar
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I agree that we didn't have a Alex Lange, Aaron Nola, or Kevin Gausman on this team
They didn’t even have anything close to those 2 or a Louis Coleman, Landon Marceaux, or anyone else resembling a true weekend SEC starter except one for a shitty bottom half team.
quote:you do realize that is the opposite of “having stuff”.
Reyzelman has plenty of stuff. He just needed to develop of second pitch.
quote:have you ever been a coach? You help the player through watching them and helping him understand the things HE needs to do to improve. ULTIMATELY, it is up to him both physically AND mentally! Jason Kelly is NOT a psychologist. He can however recommend pulling him when he has lost his command regardless of pitch count.
That's the pitching coaches job.
What the frick do you think that the pitching coach is telling the catcher to tell the pitcher? Or what he says directly during mound visits? “Hey, look at that hot chick in section 215 6 rows up”?
He is out there to slow him down and try to help him refocus on his delivery and all of the other little things with the batter he is facing.
The pitcher has to execute. If he doesn’t, the next visit usually gets him yanked.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:03 am to ccarrone0313
I’ll agree we didn’t have a STUD but 0-2 fastball 6” off the plate isn’t fooling anyone then come right back and throw another fastball. It’s the SEC good hitters in every lineup.
Hardest pitch in baseball to hit is the changeup. Have you seen anyone on our staff with a good changeup?
Again VERY predictable pitch sequence almost every hitter.
Hardest pitch in baseball to hit is the changeup. Have you seen anyone on our staff with a good changeup?
Again VERY predictable pitch sequence almost every hitter.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:05 am to Purpleblooded
Reyzelman threw a changeup all year but didn’t locate it that well. Can’t call a pitch they can’t locate. Might as well live or die by their strength, imo.
Ty Floyd has a good changeup and he calls it because he can throw it. That’s how it works. Given he was throwing it during the year, they probably decided in crunch time to stick to his strength which I get. you are who you are at that point and no reason to go down with your weakness. it's all part of the reason this team had limitations but that doesn't all fall on the pitching coach. He did a fantastic job this year with very average arms top to bottom.
Ty Floyd has a good changeup and he calls it because he can throw it. That’s how it works. Given he was throwing it during the year, they probably decided in crunch time to stick to his strength which I get. you are who you are at that point and no reason to go down with your weakness. it's all part of the reason this team had limitations but that doesn't all fall on the pitching coach. He did a fantastic job this year with very average arms top to bottom.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:08 am to ccarrone0313
Ty Floyd pitched against Texas to open the season and threw 2 curveballs his entire outing. Every other pitch was a FB.
Hard to discuss baseball with office workers who never played the game at a high level.
I hope JK works out and I’ll give him another season or two but things need to change.
Hard to discuss baseball with office workers who never played the game at a high level.
I hope JK works out and I’ll give him another season or two but things need to change.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:09 am to UpToPar
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This just continually gets repeated because Jay Johnson said it and because we were unable to develop a second a third starter.
Hilliard started SEC games every year of his career. He's not a friday night guy, but he's an SEC starter. He was 7-1 this year. He wins 10+ games if he's throwing on Saturday or Sunday.
We had several other arms on the staff with Friday night stuff, we just could not develop them into a Friday night starter for one reason or another. Floyd, Reyzelman, Gervase, and even Fontenot and Money have Friday night stuff. That's not considering the freshmen Taylor and Lansville.
Floyd started to come on at the end of the year and I think we'll have to rely on him to lock down a spot in the rotation next year if he doesnt leave.
Fontenot seems to have gone stagnant and did not progress much between last year and this year. Heading into the season, many hoped that the staff could develop him into a starter. That didn't happen.
Money looked great to start the year but fell off in a big way. Not sure what happened there.
Johnson/Kelly either valued Reyzelman and Gervase in the pen more than starting or could never feel comfortable extending them more than a few innings.
All this to say, we had arm talent on this team, we just couldn't find/develop two more consistent starters to go along with Hilliard.
God you're dumb as shite and insistent upon dying on this hill....
"yeah we had legitimate starters" then the bulk of your post goes on to explain that no we didn't really have any starters.
The only one that would qualify as a legit starter is Hilliard and as you said, he's not a friday night guy....but on this team he was. Why is that?
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Floyd, Reyzelman, Gervase, and even Fontenot and Money have Friday night stuff.
just being able to throw 90+ doesn't mean you have friday night stuff.
Let's let this staff get a class or two under its belt before we say they can't develop pitchers based on guys that were inherited or were transfers
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:11 am to Purpleblooded
yes and that after a couple of those outings he didn't throw at all. They worked diligently on his off-speed and Ty worked his butt off (go listen to the podcast with mahtook that has JK on it) to be able to locate 3 pitches and he came back throwing 3 pitches for a strike and his changeup was very good against Tennessee, Vandy, and Ole Miss. You missed the whole second part of the year. Not every player develops equally.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:15 am to ccarrone0313
So out of this entire staff one guy developed his last 3 outings? That’s a good ratio and makes me feel good we can develop future pitchers….
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 11:16 am
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