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re: Let’s address the elephant in the room: the conspiracy folks
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:55 am to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:55 am to UndercoverBryologist
Why would an entire Party feel the need to open borders and steal an election?
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This one? No. It appears to be purely incompetence. Some others, yes. Govt officials routinely lie about their involvement.
This.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:57 am to doubleb
contact with the govt. for any reason, how often have you been satisfied how things worked out?
Taxes, driver’s license, permits, fixing a pothole, social security, break in, or whatever?
The govt. seldom measures up. It’s not as if they own their own business or want satisfied customers. Reliance on the govt. is ruining the nation.
Number one reason that we need guns us because we know the govt. can not protect us.
This is the number one reason I don't believe in all this conspiracy shite. These people can barely tie their shoes. How in the hell could they possibly pull off all the "false flag" stuff. For Christ sake.
Taxes, driver’s license, permits, fixing a pothole, social security, break in, or whatever?
The govt. seldom measures up. It’s not as if they own their own business or want satisfied customers. Reliance on the govt. is ruining the nation.
Number one reason that we need guns us because we know the govt. can not protect us.
This is the number one reason I don't believe in all this conspiracy shite. These people can barely tie their shoes. How in the hell could they possibly pull off all the "false flag" stuff. For Christ sake.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:58 am to UndercoverBryologist
The politburo applauds your resolve comrade.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:04 am to UndercoverBryologist
My problem w conspiracy theories is they would often times require large amounts of people to stay quiet about it until they died. It goes against human nature. Someone somewhere, out of thousands of people, would eventually come clean or at some point there is hard evidence uncovered. Not really talking about the weird humming in Taos or big foot, but stuff like the moon landing being fake or 2020 election being stolen.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm not sure who is dumber. The people who think everything is a conspiracy, or those who think nothing is.
Ain’t that some truth.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:10 am to Steadyhands
Lol. He doesn't know what elephant in the room means.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:11 am to redneck hippie
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Let’s address the elephant in the room: the conspiracy folks by redneck hippie
My problem w conspiracy theories is they would often times require large amounts of people to stay quiet about it until they died.
Ostensibly, the argument for that is “they got paid off big time.”
The real head scratcher ones are the ones where people with no discernible benefit from participating in the conspiracy are alleged to be key conspirators themselves. “Billionaire Mr. John Doe, registered member of the [insert party name here] is alleged to have rigged the regulatory board in favor of his rival.” “But why?” “For money!” “But he was already rich?”
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:12 am to UndercoverBryologist
The easiest answer is the local command misread the situation and made a well intentioned but tragic mistake, based on these earliest reports
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:13 am to UndercoverBryologist
“Let’s address the nothing in the room”
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:27 am to UndercoverBryologist
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For the conspiracy folks, what is the logic behind your “false flag” theory?
Why would the local Texas cops be the ones to put off the assault on the gunman when the Feds wanted to go in when they got there? (Bearing in mind the local and state cops have operational control over such matters and the Feds are acting as assistance.)
I get you think these are false flag plots meant to attack the Second Amendment, but considering the political make-up of the situation, why wouldn’t it have been the Feds (beholden to the WH) who put the brakes to the assault plan rather than the local cops?
Sorry, it’s showing up in these threads and I just wanted to address it head on.
I'm not saying this was a conspiracy or wasn't but playing devil's advocate, the OP is a sad attempt at a "gotcha" to "prove" that it wasn't.
First of all, if the "Feds" call a local police department and tell them to stand down, they absolutely will, I don't care who has operational control.
Second, all federal agencies absolutely do not work in lock step with one another, just because the Border Patrol got involved doesn't mean another agency wasn't orchestrating something on their own.
Third, let's say it was a false flag operation orchestrated by the "Feds," if they were responding to it themselves, then they absolutely would want to handle the "cleanup." Can't risk the local police department somehow taking this guy alive.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:29 am to UndercoverBryologist
And the NRA happen to follow with a huge convention in Houston. Amazing how that works.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:35 am to SidewalkTiger
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I'm not saying this was a conspiracy or wasn't but playing devil's advocate, the OP is a sad attempt at a "gotcha" to "prove" that it wasn't.
No attempt to prove anything. I’m watching this story unfold in real time and will withhold final judgment until all the facts are known.
I was just specifically interested in the thoughts of those who have already jumped on the conspiracy wagon about why the local cops would be the incompetent ones in this story with the Feds going beyond their usual duties to respond from many miles away if the Feds were orchestrating this to begin with.
I take your point about the Federal left hand not necessarily knowing what the right hand is doing at all times, but that’s just the thing with conspiracy theories of all stripes. They tend to require more and more epicycles in order to make the theory work.
The simplest conspiracies are the ones that tend to actually get pulled off. The more complicated it is, the more likely it is to fall apart.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:36 am to beerJeep
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This. It usually seems like the perp is known or had prior contact with some alphabet agency
It’s surprising how often this is correct. Which is a big part of the conspiracy. Maybe there’s no grooming involved and they were just ignorant or incompetent, but there’s a thin line between incompetence and purposely letting these kids loose
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:41 am to UndercoverBryologist
These mass shootings only seem to happen when Democrats are in trouble politically
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:41 am to UndercoverBryologist
You will never know the truth.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:41 am to UndercoverBryologist
All this shite is a symptom of the internet age.
Used to be the crazy tinhat crowd were swept off in the dark to mutter to themselves, marginalized by a society who recognized their mental illness. Didn't matter which corner of which spectrum your conspiracies came from, no one wanted to hear them and you were, rightfully, considered a fricking freak.
Now? In the internet age? We've literally given a giant fricking megaphone to these people, lent credence to their theories as they congregate online and feel vindicated by other nutjobs who believe the same, and now they've even gained traction politically. There's a post on the PoliBoard right now about flat earth...and it's gotten plenty of upvotes.
Back when I was active on FB, I was friends with a guy from high school. Smart dude, moderately successful medical career, etc. This guy believed Sandy Hook was an inside job. He thought the Boston Marathon bombing was a staged hoax. He was one of those folks who would point out "crisis actors". I posted a picture of a person in a wheelchair whose leg was half-gone and shredded as two people rushed them toward an ambulance. Dude said it was makeup effects and a staged picture. Like, what the actual frick, man? And he's advertising this shite to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people thanks to the amplification of social media!
It's not good for this country and democracy cannot survive when people immediately jump to "false flag" every time something happens counter to their belief systems.
Used to be the crazy tinhat crowd were swept off in the dark to mutter to themselves, marginalized by a society who recognized their mental illness. Didn't matter which corner of which spectrum your conspiracies came from, no one wanted to hear them and you were, rightfully, considered a fricking freak.
Now? In the internet age? We've literally given a giant fricking megaphone to these people, lent credence to their theories as they congregate online and feel vindicated by other nutjobs who believe the same, and now they've even gained traction politically. There's a post on the PoliBoard right now about flat earth...and it's gotten plenty of upvotes.
Back when I was active on FB, I was friends with a guy from high school. Smart dude, moderately successful medical career, etc. This guy believed Sandy Hook was an inside job. He thought the Boston Marathon bombing was a staged hoax. He was one of those folks who would point out "crisis actors". I posted a picture of a person in a wheelchair whose leg was half-gone and shredded as two people rushed them toward an ambulance. Dude said it was makeup effects and a staged picture. Like, what the actual frick, man? And he's advertising this shite to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people thanks to the amplification of social media!
It's not good for this country and democracy cannot survive when people immediately jump to "false flag" every time something happens counter to their belief systems.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:43 am to UndercoverBryologist
I would be shocked for 2 scenario
1) evil alphabet org or secret org help facilitate crazy crime doer
2) we are lost as a society and bad parent lead to crazy acts. Ex mom still not condemning shite head son
1) evil alphabet org or secret org help facilitate crazy crime doer
2) we are lost as a society and bad parent lead to crazy acts. Ex mom still not condemning shite head son
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:44 am to Dawgholio
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These mass shootings only seem to happen when Democrats are in trouble politically
Is that an actual correlation of just something you pulled out of your arse? Columbine happened at the height of Clinton’s popularity, Virginia Tech happened during the Bush tailspin of 2007, and Sandy Hook happened one month after Obama was re-elected.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:45 am to UndercoverBryologist
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I was just specifically interested in the thoughts of those who have already jumped on the conspiracy wagon about why the local cops would be the incompetent ones in this story with the Feds going beyond their usual duties to respond from many miles away if the Feds were orchestrating this to begin with.
Again devil's advocate, but this is exactly what you'd do if your end goal is to "federalize" policing in this country.
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