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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:03 am to ghost2most
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:03 am to ghost2most
quote:
frick you gun loving morons to fricking hell.
Yes this can be fricking fixed.
Every single weapon in this country should be registered.
Every single gun owner should have to pass meticulous screening.
Get caught with an unregistered gun and you get a life fricking sentence.
Release every drug offender from prison and lock up the illegal gun fricks.
frick YOUR RIGHTS
I'm sick of innocent children being gunned down so stupid fricking rednecks can pretend they're tough.
frick YOU
It’s kind of alarming that this insane little screed has 56 upvotes.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:04 am to Tiger1242
the answer is easy. Kill all violent criminals, their family, and especially their spawn. They got the bad genes. Removing them from the gene pool will make a tremendous difference, clearly visible within less than a generation.
No 20 years on death row. Guilty in the afternoon, kilt in the morning.
No 20 years on death row. Guilty in the afternoon, kilt in the morning.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:06 am to OweO
quote:I'm sure they would have said "Man, I was going to shoot up a school, but, well, that would be illegal because I'm only 18" and then went to church or something.
The last two shootings... In Buffalo and yesterday in Texas, both shooters were 18 and recently purchased their gun.. Why not move the age to 21 in order to buy certain guns?
The 21 year old age thing doesn't even work for alcohol. How well do you think it work for someone motivated enough to kill children?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:08 am to Godfather1
quote:
It’s kind of alarming that this insane little screed has 56 upvotes.
Chicken should list the users of those upvotes, would be interesting to see
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:08 am to Chromdome35
quote:It's weird to me that somehow mean tweets and secretly encoded "dog-whistle" phrases cause "insurrections" and "white supremacy"... but a constant stream of violence from TV, movies, games have no effect on anyone.
I think that music and video games absolutely are having an impact.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:11 am to Godfather1
quote:
It’s kind of alarming that this insane little screed has 56 upvotes.
We have a potato for a President because people didn't like mean tweets.
We are a nation of emotional driven idiots. I'm surprised he didn't have more upvotes.
"You need to stop worrying about your rights, and start worrying about doing the right thing" to quote a certain slimey cocksucker.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:17 am to Taxing Authority
My belief is largely a disconnect between these individuals and the rest of society that is worsening is the advancement of technology.
We are creating an entire generation of young males who have no direction, feel lost, and have no connections with other individuals.
Friends don’t hangout.
Kids don’t socialize anymore.
Not to mention their constant connection to the negatives of human life at all times through technology.
This isn’t a pleasant situation for developed minds, let alone developing ones.
Someone recently asked why there is such a “doomsayer” mentality among people on here, and I feel that is largely because those “apocalyptic” scenarios offer an end to what people view as meaningless, banal existences within the cogs of a society/country that doesn’t care or offer a meaningful life. It would offer an opportunity to shed the anxieties and stressors of modern life, which we cannot fight, for ones that can be attacked directly.
Now imagine that same mindset when you were a teenager along with a constant connection to society’s ills through tech and social media.
It is a recipe for disaster.
That doesn’t even touch on the sexual/relationship degradation that has occurred between modern day males and females.
The stressors are off the charts for teens nowadays.
We are creating an entire generation of young males who have no direction, feel lost, and have no connections with other individuals.
Friends don’t hangout.
Kids don’t socialize anymore.
Not to mention their constant connection to the negatives of human life at all times through technology.
This isn’t a pleasant situation for developed minds, let alone developing ones.
Someone recently asked why there is such a “doomsayer” mentality among people on here, and I feel that is largely because those “apocalyptic” scenarios offer an end to what people view as meaningless, banal existences within the cogs of a society/country that doesn’t care or offer a meaningful life. It would offer an opportunity to shed the anxieties and stressors of modern life, which we cannot fight, for ones that can be attacked directly.
Now imagine that same mindset when you were a teenager along with a constant connection to society’s ills through tech and social media.
It is a recipe for disaster.
That doesn’t even touch on the sexual/relationship degradation that has occurred between modern day males and females.
The stressors are off the charts for teens nowadays.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:25 am to Scruffy
To tack onto this...
The benefits of technology, and particularly vices like social media, enable people to ignore their own families, neighborhoods, towns.
It's easy not to care about the guy left behind or struggling with severe mental illness when you don't have to see him because your world is online or through the TV instead of through the people on your street.
Conservatives lash out at "it takes a village" and other collectivist concepts for understandable reasons (because it's about taking from producers and stripping right from parents). But in so doing we've rejected concepts that are actually healthy. You should be concerned with the welfare, safety and health of the kids down the street. You absolutely should. When those kids grow up you should have put a notable stamp on their development. If people on this board, me included, spent half the time watching national news or Twitter or posting on Poli or whatever investing into the microcommunity around them (neighborhood, church, town) we'd be immediately better off.
The benefits of technology, and particularly vices like social media, enable people to ignore their own families, neighborhoods, towns.
It's easy not to care about the guy left behind or struggling with severe mental illness when you don't have to see him because your world is online or through the TV instead of through the people on your street.
Conservatives lash out at "it takes a village" and other collectivist concepts for understandable reasons (because it's about taking from producers and stripping right from parents). But in so doing we've rejected concepts that are actually healthy. You should be concerned with the welfare, safety and health of the kids down the street. You absolutely should. When those kids grow up you should have put a notable stamp on their development. If people on this board, me included, spent half the time watching national news or Twitter or posting on Poli or whatever investing into the microcommunity around them (neighborhood, church, town) we'd be immediately better off.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:27 am to ghost2most
quote:
frick you gun loving morons to fricking hell.
Yes this can be fricking fixed.
Every single weapon in this country should be registered.
Every single gun owner should have to pass meticulous screening.
Get caught with an unregistered gun and you get a life fricking sentence.
Release every drug offender from prison and lock up the illegal gun fricks.
frick YOUR RIGHTS
I'm sick of innocent children being gunned down so stupid fricking rednecks can pretend they're tough.
frick YOU
We’ve had personal ownership of guns in this country for some 250 years or so, and ONLY NOW are we having to contend with mass shootings, people killing people in American streets at alarming levels. What’s changed? Well, it’s not guns. They still go bang like they always have. What’s changed is that we no longer have the same Judeo Christian value system we once held on to, raised our kids with, and built our lives upon. That’s what’s changed. God’s NOT IN IT anymore. Now, we’ve exchanged His righteousness, and His laws with our own righteousness and whatever we think feels good we do it. Heck, it’s like blaming biologists for our inability to differentiate between male and female. It’s not science’s fault. We’re just warped, and have exchanged the natural order of things for our own perversions. It’s us that’s changed.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:34 am to Pettifogger
Absolutely.
The issue is that there are minimal connections in those communities now.
I was born in 1988, right before the computer boom, and when I was younger, we knew and played with every child and family on our street.
That was the norm.
Modern, tech-heavy society is radically different.
In a mere 34 years, social norms and interactions have shifted drastically.
And that isn’t a case of “all generations shift and change”. There has never been a more radical shift in levels of social interaction in human history. There is nothing to compare to the impact handheld computers and social media has had on humanity.
Most of my neighbors don’t interact at all. Many of them, I haven’t even met. Their children are usually indoors all day.
The social cohesion even on the micro-level has degraded.
It isn’t a political thing. It is a developmental/technological thing, and it permeates all aspects of society.
There is no reversing course without massive societal change, which tends to usually be violent.
Children will still have social media and will interact with other kids at even less and less rates.
The issue is that there are minimal connections in those communities now.
I was born in 1988, right before the computer boom, and when I was younger, we knew and played with every child and family on our street.
That was the norm.
Modern, tech-heavy society is radically different.
In a mere 34 years, social norms and interactions have shifted drastically.
And that isn’t a case of “all generations shift and change”. There has never been a more radical shift in levels of social interaction in human history. There is nothing to compare to the impact handheld computers and social media has had on humanity.
Most of my neighbors don’t interact at all. Many of them, I haven’t even met. Their children are usually indoors all day.
The social cohesion even on the micro-level has degraded.
It isn’t a political thing. It is a developmental/technological thing, and it permeates all aspects of society.
There is no reversing course without massive societal change, which tends to usually be violent.
Children will still have social media and will interact with other kids at even less and less rates.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:38 am to Mike da Tigah
There was a period in the early 1900's when you could have a Thompson SMG delivered to your doorstep via parcel mail.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:41 am to Scruffy
In an era of globalization I suppose it's no big surprise that a lot of powerful people and entities have a very vested interest in making sure we're focused on national or global things rather than local ones.
I don't think that explains all of the cultural rot - it's not entirely responsible for the decline of parenting, perpetual adolescence, etc. But it does make it much easier to shed your societal obligations and let those things bear really bad fruit.
I don't think that explains all of the cultural rot - it's not entirely responsible for the decline of parenting, perpetual adolescence, etc. But it does make it much easier to shed your societal obligations and let those things bear really bad fruit.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 am to Tiger1242
What's the common denominator with these people? Bullied. Shunned. Rejected.
How do you stop that?
How do you stop that?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 am to ghost2most
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:44 am to LNCHBOX
quote:
Come try and take my guns.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:45 am to Pettifogger
quote:Global issues seem far grander and more pressing.
In an era of globalization I suppose it's no big surprise that a lot of powerful people and entities have a very vested interest in making sure we're focused on national or global things rather than local ones.
Why watch the local news when you can read about Ukraine’s crisis?
quote:There are so many factors at play.
I don't think that explains all of the cultural rot - it's not entirely responsible for the decline of parenting, perpetual adolescence, etc. But it does make it much easier to shed your societal obligations and let those things bear really bad fruit.
The core one, IMO, is the hyper-connectivity offered by that wonderful little piece of plastic we all carry.
When you are connected to everything, everywhere, all at once, the immediate here and now surrounding you is less relevant.
Human society is healthier when it is distilled down to smaller scaled groups.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 am to Tiger1242
quote:
How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Parenting with tough love
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:49 am to ThatTahoeOverThere
quote:
Bullied. Shunned. Rejected.
How do you stop that?
You can't and there's no point in trying. Its natural and attempts to stop it only make it worse. Right now SOP is to give these people pills. In the old days, these people had to punch their bully in the mouth or live with being bullied.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:50 am to LNCHBOX
Looking back on my childhood, every kid that I thought could be capable of this was a lonely outcast with shitty abusive parents.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:52 am to Wtodd
quote:I would disagree that that is enough.
Parenting with tough love
The only way to fix the breakdown of the modern teenage mind is to revert to the “adolescent social system” that humanity had for millennia.
They need human contact with peers. They need external stimulation. They need to be blocked from the horrors of the world until they are able to psychologically handle it.
People will say, “you want to baby them more, Scruffy”, but that isn’t the case. I didn’t follow global or even local politics until college because it wasn’t in my face/hand 24/7.
We need to revert to the adolescent social system we all grew up in.
Lack of social media and tech and more peer to peer interaction.
Socialization.
That won’t happen, so, to answer OP’s question, we can’t fix it.
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