re: The left keep pushing back with rape and mother's life arguments

thanks NC

how many married woman get an abortion?

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The current medical practice is to offer emergency contraception to rape victims along with testing for possible STDs.

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good to know, what is an emergency contraceptive?

do all states allow it or promote it?

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That said, if you make any kind of exception to a law, there are guaranteed to be hoards of vultures who will try to exploit it in any way possible. There would for sure be professional abortion lawyers taking advantage of it, thousands of women claiming they were raped when they weren't, etc. It would open a huge can of worms.

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well, I think there has to be exceptions for special circumstances. Lawyers are never going away...

what the right decision here? does it have to be all or nothing? If so, then I think everything ends up staying as it is

we're trying to do away with "I got pregnant with boyfriend and I don't want this baby"... a woman doesn't know if she is pregnant until it's 6 weeks or so, at that point, wow...it's a moral struggle...

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The "mother's life" argument is nonsense. If there is actually a question of possibly dying, that's an actual medical procedure, not an abortion. That was legal before Roe and that hasn't changed.

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A US Senator said his wife would have died without an abortion.

Senator brings up family's abortion story, as future of Roe v. Wade in jeopardy

Wed, May 4, 2022, 6:37 PM·3 min read

In the late 1980s, Peters' first wife, Heidi, had to undergo an abortion procedure after her water broke during her second trimester. Peters warned that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, following reports on a leaked Supreme Court draft ruling, it will have a devastating effect on women and families who go through similar life-and-death situations.

"This is no longer an abstract concept for people. This is real life and it's going to impact people in real ways," Peters, D-Mich., told ABC News.

In the leaked draft regarding the Supreme Court’s case on Mississippi’s 15-week abortion ban, Justice Samuel Alito contended the constitution “does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion.” The leaked draft indicated that four other Supreme Court justices have sided with Alito.

The document is not final and opinions can change before the final ruling.

Peters first spoke about his family's story, which took place in the late '80s, in an interview with Elle magazine in 2020.

His wife's water broke four months into her pregnancy and their doctor explained that the fetus could not survive.
"That means the amniotic fluid was gone out," Peters said. "Even though there's this heartbeat . . . there's no protection in the uterus anymore. So it's a pretty horrible thing that can happen."

The couple was told to go home to miscarry naturally, according to Peters.

"You can imagine the emotional anguish, that she had to go home knowing that we were going to lose a baby that we wanted and she was going to suffer a miscarriage at some point in the next few hours," the senator said.

When the miscarriage didn't happen naturally over the next two days, the couple went back and forth to the hospital but were denied appeals for an abortion procedure even though their doctor said Heidi could lose her uterus or die of sepsis, Peters said.

"I will never forget the recording on the machine. [The doctor] said, 'Unfortunately, I cannot do this procedure. This is about politics. This is not about medical care. This is not about what we should be doing to protect your health and potentially your life,'" the senator recalled.

The Peters were able to get the abortion procedure done at another hospital. The doctor in the second hospital warned the couple that Heidi was about to go septic, the senator said.

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Anyone actually getting married has long term financial plans in mind about a family.

Anyone not already married who can’t or won’t abort ends up getting heavily subsidized by the government as a single mom over being a married mother.

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Even if that life is the rape victim? Over a 1/3rd of rape victims contemplate suicide even w/o being sentenced to carry an unwanted pregnancy, and 13% actually attempt suicide

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As terrible as that is, the choice to commit suicide lies with the woman in that case, not with the rapist, and certainly not with the child.

What you are providing is evidence that rape is an evil thing that should be punished harshly. What you are not doing is making a rational argument as to why we should punish (additional) innocent victims for the crimes of evil people.

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This is so fricking dumb. When women are actually raped, it’s pretty freaking emotional and embarassing, often resulting on them not telling anyone after it happens

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OK. If you don't tell anyone, then don't come along later and pretend that I should be okay with you killing a baby.

I get what you’re saying.

That’s kinda been my position all along in abortion. I think logically there should be a cutoff and special circumstances where abortions are allowed.

Nothing is ever black and white and for either side to not give a bit is ridiculous. I don’t care much for the religious aspect of the debate—-that shouldn’t matter when making laws that impact everyone.

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rape babies" that are loved and accepted by their families that grow up to be healthy, productive, and valued members of society.

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I've never heard of this...and doubt it's true. how many cases are there?

A child born into a family of a despicable crime committed against the mother is not just easily accepted...

how would a father ever be okay with this?

sorry but I don't believe what you're saying, but I've been wrong before