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re: Why do liberals get so upset over abortion?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:10 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:10 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:This is exactly what I thought of last night. I was thinking about how much I enjoy seeing new growth on plants.
HubbaBubba
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:10 pm to brett408
quote:Abortion is a complex topic. Take my views, for example.
people ... insane and eager to destroy human babies
I agree wholeheartedly that Roe was an awful decision, from a jurisprudential perspective. Blackmun (a GOP appointee) and the six Justices who joined in the opinion created a "Constitutional right" from thin air. By contrast, White (a Dem appointee) wrote the dissent, which makes a good deal more sense and has a significantly more-sound Constitutional basis.
So, what happens if Roe is overturned? I tend to agree that the 10th SHOULD leave the legality of abortion to the States, but the undeniable fact is that the current state of Constitutional development has essentially gutted the 10th Amendment. If the Dems can garner the votes to "codify" something akin to Roe, it will almost-certainly pass 10th Amendment muster. I would disagree with that result, but it would probably be a near-unanimous decision.
Ideologically? I have difficulty wrapping my brain around the insistence of BOTH sides that the OTHER side must be described as "evil" or something of the like. To me, the question is simply one of "when should an organism vest in the negative right not to be killed?" I am not going to call you "evil" for thinking that such a right would vest at a later point in fetal development than I think appropriate ... OR at an earlier point.
For some reason, a large percentage of Americans are far more emotional about the issue than I.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:13 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:I think you meant to say religious.
For the same reason conservatives get so upset about it. Because they don't hold to your religious values, just as you don't hold to their secular values.
Did you know that secularism only exists where Christianity was strong?
Christianity created secularism. It's that revolutionary
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:13 pm to AggieHank86
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I am not going to call you "evil" for thinking that such a right would vest at a later point in fetal development than I think appropriate ... OR at an earlier point.
So if it is decided that such a right shouldn’t vest for 1 month after birth, you aren’t going to think of that as evil?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:14 pm to bayoubengals88
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Did you know that secularism only exists where Christianity was strong?
Hey did you know this is completely false?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:15 pm to brett408
Women's reproductive autonomy is a significant indicator in women's success. Abortions will and always have happened so anti-abortion laws just equal out to dead women.
That is a religious interpretation that has no bearing in law. Hence why the alternative is "pro-choice" if you subscribe to a religious perspective, you make your choice based off that and that is fine. What is not fine is using the government to impose your religious perspectives on other people.
It's a big deal to the left because it A) subjugates women to be breeding mares for the state, B) imposes religious values on people who don't subscribe to them, and C) further perpetuates the cycles of poverty that binds families for generations.
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but they always forget or overlook the fact that there is another soul involved.
That is a religious interpretation that has no bearing in law. Hence why the alternative is "pro-choice" if you subscribe to a religious perspective, you make your choice based off that and that is fine. What is not fine is using the government to impose your religious perspectives on other people.
It's a big deal to the left because it A) subjugates women to be breeding mares for the state, B) imposes religious values on people who don't subscribe to them, and C) further perpetuates the cycles of poverty that binds families for generations.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:16 pm to Tigers0918
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I could use the old analogy of say you wake up one day and you are in a hospital and are being used in some way to save another persons life. It will only take a day and both of you will be perfectly great afterwards. If you unplug yourself, that person will die. Should you be allowed to unplug? Absolutely even though it will kill someone else.
So you are ok with a parent mentally unplugging and letting their baby die without nurture or care?
What kind of sick f*ck are you?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:16 pm to Fells
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A) subjugates women to be breeding mares for the state,
disgusting bigot
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:17 pm to Fells
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Women's reproductive autonomy is a significant indicator in women's success.
Are you a biologist?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:18 pm to Pettifogger
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disgusting bigot
Is this a joke about us not being biologists?
If not, you have to acknowledge the fact that pregnancy hinders women's professional and economic outlook.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:19 pm to dsides
"But for my abortion I wouldn't have gotten this sweet marketing job in a loft-like office in Brooklyn"
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:19 pm to Tigers0918
I really just wish everyone could get straight to the point and be totally honest about the debate.
One side values humanity because they believe that humans derive value from their non material and supernatural creator.
The other side believes that no human life possesses any more value than a rock. So anything goes, as long as they are comfortable during their meaningless multi decade existence.
One side values humanity because they believe that humans derive value from their non material and supernatural creator.
The other side believes that no human life possesses any more value than a rock. So anything goes, as long as they are comfortable during their meaningless multi decade existence.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:19 pm to LSUconvert
Wtf are even talking about. Its got a heartbeat, its alive and is a human being. My sister was born 3 months premature, but she is alive and well 50 years later. You liberal bitches say bodily autonomy. Instead of abortion you say womens reproductive rights. Because your ashamed of saying abortion. Why because its evil and you libs know its evil thats why yall play word games. Evil bastards and you all will burn in hell unless you change your heart.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If not, you have to acknowledge the fact that pregnancy hinders women's professional and economic outlook.
For some it enhances it. Fatherhood can also hinder a person professional and economic outlook, but no one argues they have a right to force a woman to get an abortion.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:21 pm to Bamadog75
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Wtf are even talking about.
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Its got a heartbeat, its alive and is a human being. My sister was born 3 months premature, but she is alive and well 50 years later. You liberal bitches say bodily autonomy. Instead of abortion you say womens reproductive rights. Because your ashamed of saying abortion. Why because its evil and you libs know its evil thats why yall play word games. Evil bastards and you all will burn in hell unless you change your heart.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:23 pm to Dawgfanman
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For some it enhances it.
Well I was talking generally, but OK there are outliers.
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Fatherhood can also hinder a person professional and economic outlook
Statistically, marriage and fatherhood increase their economic outlook.
And I'm not saying these economic arguments totally outweigh the potential HEAVY moral issues at play. I'm just saying let's not be totally ignorant and ignore why abortion is a big deal for professional women.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:25 pm to LSUconvert
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Unreal that you are so uneducated that you think this is what life is.
It’s literally what life is. Complex life, actually. Do you mean to argue consciousness instead?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:29 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:I would disagree with vesting that right (in a human organism) at such a late date for a variety of reasons that I believe to be sound. "Good" and "evil" play no role in my analysis.
So if it is decided that such a right shouldn’t vest for 1 month after birth, you aren’t going to think of that as evil?
Primarily, I think that the vesting of ANY legal right should be contingent upon the beneficiary being a sapient organism. Legal rights should not vest in trees, garden slugs, field mice or human embryos, because none of those organisms are sapient. (No, I am NOT saying that a human embryo is "the same as" a tree. But they do share the characteristic of being non-sapient.)
Is a one-month newborn "sapient?" Probably not, but some developmental experts would argue otherwise.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:29 pm to brett408
Abortion is a dichotomy of politics for me.
You would think the right would prefer no government intrusion/control and freedom of personal choice.
And you’d think the left would tell you how inhumane it is with the feelz and sads and how we must legislate morality and save them all with government programs.
Seems backward.
You would think the right would prefer no government intrusion/control and freedom of personal choice.
And you’d think the left would tell you how inhumane it is with the feelz and sads and how we must legislate morality and save them all with government programs.
Seems backward.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:31 pm to TulaneFan
This is what I really don’t understand
Why are people so hardcore abortion
Why are people so hardcore abortion
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