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re: Dunkin’ Employee Fatally Punches Man who Used Racial Slur, Charged and Sentenced

Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3126 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:55 pm to
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You pop someone that old it isn't likely they are getting up


It happens to people much younger as well. I lost a friend in 2015 to a similar incident (punched in the face then fell and hit his head on a brick patio) and he was in his 30's. In case you're wondering, the guy that punched him plead guilt to involuntary manslaughter.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
42177 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:56 pm to
This guy deserved to have his arse beaten it sounds like, but you still can't do it.

This is no different than when whites could get off light for beating up blacks in the 60's. I didn't agree with it then, and I don't agree with it now. This was provoked, but in no way self defense. You can't hit an old person and kill them and not do any time.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:58 pm to
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Voluntary manslaughter is intentionally killing another person in the heat of passion and in response to adequate provocation.
Involuntary manslaughter is negligently causing the death of another person.
Under the Model Penal Code, manslaughter includes:


I mean...is this not what happened? I'll assume for argument's sake that when he punched him he meant to punch him, not kill him. But his punch caused him to fall, and that fall caused his death.

Keep in mind, I'm just discussing this for the sake of argument. Clearly this old guy was a world class POS and was long overdue to be checked out for actual crimes. My bigger issue is the assumption that it's ok to clock someone that says mean things to you but never lays a hand on you, and if after you clock them they die you get virtually no punishment. I'm not sure people are thinking this all the way through.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4945 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:00 pm to
I don't think the old man deserved to die, but he shouldn't have been using fighting words if he didn't want to get in a fight.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80375 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:01 pm to
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I mean if this is true he deserves to get his arse beat for being a racist dick.


Uhhh, no. That’s not how it works.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:02 pm to
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Maybe a few dipshit racists getting punched straight to pearly gates will help that cause.


See, this is the problem. How many times have we had obvious and eventual proven race hoaxes happen in the past few years? Are we really saying that if someone claims someone said "the word that whitey can't utter" to them and there is no evidence it happened, that we'll take their word for it and if they got hit and died it's ok?

All this does, and sentences like this, is make it MORE likely this will happen more often, not less. This will simply embolden people to hit first and not bother to worry about the consequences, because there will be none.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:02 pm to
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Old man Cook was a pos who fafo. If he had a glass jaw, he shouldn't have been tempting fate provoking the kid.


According to FBI statistics more people are killed by just fists and feet than rifles and shotguns.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12844 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:03 pm to
We all know what would have happened if the colors were reversed.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20085 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:03 pm to
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It wasn't irrelevant on this board when we were discussing the Rittenhouse attackers/victims.



The more notable info on those guys is that they were in fact white, not black.

The issue was that Kyle was a racist
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
4923 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:05 pm to
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I don't feel sorry for either of them. Hopefully the young man learns from this experience.


What a dumb thing to say! In this crazy world we live in now, if someone says something that is disrespecful, they deserve to die? The idiot that killed this man just learned he can get away with it so he'll probably do the same thing again because "he ain't gon be dissed"!!.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4945 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:06 pm to
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All this does, and sentences like this, is make it MORE likely this will happen more often, not less. This will simply embolden people to hit first and not bother to worry about the consequences, because there will be none.


People have always settled issues like this with fists. People were more polite when they knew their words carried consequences. Say "frick You" to someone and you were getting punched in the face. Being a racist POS was likely to result in the same.
Posted by Baldy
Member since May 2020
367 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:08 pm to
Unfortunately this didn't happen in an enlightened state like California where the poor young man would have not only not been charged, he wouldn't have even been arrested. Maybe even have been entitled compensation from the dead man's estate for the mental anguish of having been called the single most powerful word in the Emglish lamguage.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80375 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:09 pm to
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It wasn't irrelevant on this board when we were discussing the Rittenhouse attackers/victims.


You mean the guys that actually physically attacked young Mr. Rittenhouse, vs say, calling him ugly names?
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20085 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:10 pm to
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He did not mean to kill him. He punched him. That it resulted in death can hardly be ascribed to his intentions.


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How big a pussy are you that words make you punch someone? Eh, doesn't seem so unreasonable.




In what situation would you find it acceptable to punch a 77 year old man in the jaw?

I don’t want to hear that word either, the irony is if I punched somebody for saying it, odds are I would be the one labeled racist.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
11091 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:10 pm to
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The issue was that Kyle was a racis
all white people are racist. Duh
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:12 pm to
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People have always settled issues like this with fists. People were more polite when they knew their words carried consequences. Say "frick You" to someone and you were getting punched in the face. Being a racist POS was likely to result in the same.


See...I'd like to agree with this, but as we've seen the world has changed. There was a time, when I was younger, this was the case. I think things largely worked out fine that way.

But...we've been told that's not the right way any more, and were told this largely by the same people who are likely responsible for this light sentence. We needed to stop all that toxic masculinity, right?

In this case, not so much though...because of a word. At that point, we're suddenly being told it's ok to hit someone again. Punch a NAZI and so forth.

All that said, it's never been cool to crack an elderly man who never laid a finger on you.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
10703 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:14 pm to
If a white man killed a black man for calling him a cracker, you would be burning down cities within an hour
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:14 pm to
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It wasn't irrelevant on this board when we were discussing the Rittenhouse attackers/victims.


quote:

You mean the guys that actually physically attacked young Mr. Rittenhouse, vs say, calling him ugly names?


More importantly, no one was really suggesting that Kyle wasn't guilty because they were pieces of shite. It was brought up that they were piece of shite when the Legacy Media began to canonize them while at the same time suggesting Kyle was a white supremacist. Then their past became relevant and worthy of discussion.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6981 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:16 pm to
Until both sides recognize that a word commonly used in black households should held against the old guy on equal terms with the black guy who has heard it all his life, maybe we can reach an agreement on what EQUAL justice can be.

Murder is murder period. Two years house arrest may be the best for the kid. But in my best estimate … ten years from now, the best he’ll be, is handing out coffee and donuts. No one wins.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
11091 posts
Posted on 3/9/22 at 4:17 pm to
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Then their past became relevant and worthy of discussion.
not their past. The fact that they were ALL white came as a shock to 90% of the people watching the trial. The Young Turks chick was like um wtf? Its always refreshing to see a blue pill realize they've been lied to
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