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Four Western Provocations That Led to U.S.-Russia Crisis Today

Posted on 3/6/22 at 6:16 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/6/22 at 6:16 am
*Note: This was written prior to initiation of the current war.
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Four Western Provocations That Led to U.S.-Russia Crisis Today
The one-sided indictments of Moscow’s behavior invariably ignore numerous missteps that took place, beginning with President Clinton.

By Ted Galen Carpenter
December 21, 2021


U.S. and NATO officials, as well as most of the Western news media, contend that Russia is to blame for the current ugly confrontation. They highlight four Kremlin actions that severely spiked East-?West tensions. The first episode, according to that version of history, occurred in 2008 when Russian forces invaded Georgia and advanced to the outskirts of the capital, Tbilisi. A second, even more serious offense, took place in 2014 when Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine and annexed that strategic peninsula after holding a bogus referendum. The third incident followed just months later when Russia orchestrated a separatist insurgency in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region and then sent in troops to assist the rebellion. During the years that followed, Vladimir Putin’s government exacerbated the emerging cold war by interfering in the internal political affairs of numerous Western countries, especially the United States.

Those allegations contain some truth, but all of them conveniently omit crucial context. For example, the 2008 invasion of Georgia occurred only after the Georgian military fired on Russian peacekeeping troops that had been in the secessionist region of South Ossetia since the early 1990s. Even a European Union investigation concluded that Georgian forces had initiated the fighting. The conflict also occurred in large part because President George W. Bush encouraged Georgia’s president, Mikheil Saakashvili, to believe that the United States and NATO would support his country if it became embroiled in a conflict with Russia.

Putin’s seizure of Crimea was indeed a blatant violation of international law, but it occurred only after the United States and key EU allies had shamelessly assisted demonstrators to overthrow Ukraine’s elected pro-?Russia president, Viktor Yanukovych. That thinly disguised coup triggered Russian fears that Ukraine was about to become a forward staging area for NATO military power. Among other worries, the Kremlin suspected that it would lose access to its crucial naval base at Sevastopol on the Crimea peninsula and watch that facility become a hostile NATO base.

The one-?sided, self-?serving indictments of Russia’s behavior invariably ignore the numerous Western provocations that took place long before Moscow engaged in disruptive measures. Indeed, the deterioration of the West’s relations with post-?communist Russia began during Bill Clinton’s administration. . . .

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This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 6:17 am
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
5028 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 6:18 am to
Fuk u Ivan.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 6:21 am to
Clearly if Ukraine had just done what Putin told them, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14786 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 6:25 am to
I love that they're trying to make invading countries commensurate with the relatively minor transgressions that "led" to them.

Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
18006 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 6:31 am to
My takeaway from that article is that Putin doesn't trust the CIA, the Bushes, or the Clintons,, because they've been lying to him for 30 years.


Not hard to swallow.
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9312 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 7:46 am to
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I love that they're trying to make invading countries commensurate with the relatively minor transgressions that "led" to them.


Someone forgot the Peace of Westphalia.

Or hell, for that matter all of the squawking about Russia, Russia, Russia "meddling" in the 2016 election.

"Minor transgressions" indeed.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112206 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 7:47 am to
As I said, the USA fricked up in the 90s not trying to forge an alliance with Russia.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77868 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 7:50 am to
quote:

 love that they're trying to make invading countries commensurate with the relatively minor transgressions that "led" to them


Yep. Pitiful.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 7:56 am to
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Clearly if Ukraine had just done what Putin told them, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.

Putin has every right to protect himself and his country from the same FCKRY that is being inflicted currently BY ELECTION STEALING CRIMINALS in our country.

The same people, in fact...

The truth awaits your visit.

This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 9:48 am
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6541 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:00 am to
The US Govt is lying and thieving and the Russians have been trying to deal with the same deep state that sees no problem with overturning elections and hounding duely elected officials out of office.

It isn't easy dealing with the Americans. Ask its own citizens.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79797 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:08 am to
quote:

It isn't easy dealing with the Americans. Ask its own citizens.



no kidding,

it fricks us over on the reg
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
5028 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:14 am to
How many tigerdroppings accounts have you guys hacked?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:19 am to
quote:

How many tigerdroppings accounts have you guys hacked?



I believe social engineering is the proper term.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18616 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:20 am to
Thanks NC.

Some of you are so blind to the meddling we have done for the last century in other countries affairs, including the overthrow of several of them.

We frickin invented Panama, thats right we invented it.

The whole Cuban mess is our mess.

How about South Sudan, the country George Clooney and obama invented, now its a disaster along with Sudan, that was brilliant.

Letting hillary rape Haiti while they were on their knees begging for help was classic American diplomacy, but they dont have oil so no one gave a shat that all the money that was donated was stolen.

And dont get me started on the frickin mess in the middle east.

I could give another dozen examples.

Putin, unlike the lot of you that sat around and let an election be stolen and then were told "you have no standing" Putin decided to dictate the terms before being told the same.

Bunch of self righteous knuckleheads, complaining about Putin doing what the US has done for centuries.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92973 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:23 am to
quote:

I believe social engineering is the proper term.


Yeah we witnessed that with you low iq posters the last 7yrs

5 with drumpf and 2 with the Rona
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:24 am to
The problem is the hysteria and average IQ here make it too easy to dupe the everyday poster here.

Anyone remember Q?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19196 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:32 am to
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For example, the 2008 invasion of Georgia occurred only after the Georgian military fired on Russian peacekeeping troops


Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92973 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:34 am to
quote:

The problem is the hysteria and average IQ here make it too easy to dupe the everyday poster here.

Anyone remember Q?


Do you remember the Russian Dossier, Ukraine call, the wall, N Korea and Rona hysteria etc with you clowns?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41879 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:35 am to
Led to?

No

We’re a factor in the situation?

Probably


At the end of the day Putin decided to invade.

Perhaps he realized that the usurper would not go the way of diplomacy. But nonetheless, the decision was ultimately his.
Posted by HughsWorkPhone
Member since Sep 2017
1433 posts
Posted on 3/6/22 at 8:36 am to
quote:

Clearly if Ukraine had just done what Putin told them, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.


Maybe it’s bc they were doing everything we wanted, and we staged a bloody coup until they did.
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