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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:29 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:29 pm to StormyMcMan
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ETA apparently tigerdroppings.com doesn't recognize Cyrillic
Because we're God damn, true red-blooded Americans!
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:58 pm to OMLandshark
With what? From where? Transnistria is basically a puddle of Russians who would have to be supplied via air drop
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:59 pm to CitizenK
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With what? From where? Transnistria is basically a puddle of Soviets who would have to be supplied via air drop
FIFY
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:59 pm to DabosDynasty
Belarus is shipping ammo by the trainload to Russia to keep Russia in the fight in Ukriane. The only reason that Lukashenko is in power is due Putain's manipulation. Rebellion is likely to break out and topple the government.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:00 pm to OMLandshark
Though obviously never with logical thinking
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:12 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
I suspect that any education OML may have had is strictly in liberal arts and possibly reading blogs articles written by journalists.
The vast majority of journalists have zero actual depth of knowledge. It doesn't matter what their political bias is. Right wing journalists are just as dumb. Same goes for political strategists because it is all about public perception for them
The vast majority of journalists have zero actual depth of knowledge. It doesn't matter what their political bias is. Right wing journalists are just as dumb. Same goes for political strategists because it is all about public perception for them
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:17 pm to CitizenK
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I suspect that any education OML may have had is strictly in liberal arts and possibly reading blogs articles written by journalists.
International business with a minor in marketing and Mandarin Chinese.
And yeah of course if I’m not for arming Nazi battalions and giving corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs tens of billions of dollars in cash, then I have to have a liberal arts degree. Y’all have no rebuttal on the fact we’re literally arming Nazis. Could you imagine three years ago you’d knowingly be actually defending real life Nazis?
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Political influence matters in geopolitics and if the USA wants to be a great nation, it has to participate on globally. Isolation doesn't actually work for the economy.
Only idiots believe that actual free trade exists without a strong military presence and ability to wield power. The USA cannot source all of its raw materials and even finished goods solely in the USA. It MUST have political influence globally in order for you to have any lifestyle which you are used to in your entire lifetime, and this includes if you are 100 years old
Only idiots believe that actual free trade exists without a strong military presence and ability to wield power. The USA cannot source all of its raw materials and even finished goods solely in the USA. It MUST have political influence globally in order for you to have any lifestyle which you are used to in your entire lifetime, and this includes if you are 100 years old
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:20 pm to CitizenK
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Political influence matters in geopolitics and if the USA wants to be a great nation, it has to participate on globally. Isolation doesn't actually work for the economy.
It worked well until Woodrow Wilson came along.
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Only idiots believe that actual free trade exists without a strong military presence and ability to wield power. The USA cannot source all of its raw materials and even finished goods solely in the USA. It MUST have political influence globally in order for you to have any lifestyle which you are used to in your entire lifetime, and this includes if you are 100 years old
So let’s just keep bombing and killing anyone who steps out of line with our worldview. John Bolton, is that you?
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:25 pm to OMLandshark
Monroe Doctrine?
FWIW, my wife's great grandfather was an EVP with the merchant bank that invested in Central America, the Caribbean and South America. It was funded from profits made by the Federal Reserve.
I have photos of his trip to Tela, Honduras with one of the first uses of the then new invention, the conveyor belt. These also include photos of ships from the Great White Fleet Line of ships which brought goods back from Central America and the Caribbean to mostly New York and New Orleans. He died in 1919 during one of his monthly trips to NYC for meetings
FWIW, my wife's great grandfather was an EVP with the merchant bank that invested in Central America, the Caribbean and South America. It was funded from profits made by the Federal Reserve.
I have photos of his trip to Tela, Honduras with one of the first uses of the then new invention, the conveyor belt. These also include photos of ships from the Great White Fleet Line of ships which brought goods back from Central America and the Caribbean to mostly New York and New Orleans. He died in 1919 during one of his monthly trips to NYC for meetings
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:28 pm to CitizenK
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Monroe Doctrine?
Yeah, and spoiler alert, it doesn’t apply to Europe. Ukraine does not fall under it, warmonger.
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FWIW, my wife's great grandfather was an EVP with the merchant bank that invested in Central America, the Caribbean and South America. It was funded from profits made by the Federal Reserve.
I have photos of his trip to Tela, Honduras with one of the first uses of the then new invention, the conveyor belt. These also include photos of ships from the Great White Fleet Line of ships which brought goods back from Central America and the Caribbean to mostly New York and New Orleans. He died in 1919 during one of his monthly trips to NYC for meetings
Yeah and what the frick does this have anything to do with Russia and Ukraine? Are you saying we should expand the Monroe Doctrine to the entire world? What the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:37 pm to CitizenK
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I suspect that any education OML may have had is strictly in liberal arts and possibly reading blogs articles written by journalists.
He has the education bona fides. Problem is we've separated into two camps on the OT. I appreciate discussions and all points off view. But what we have now are know it alls and my way or the highway discussions.
And you know there are a lot of Nazi's in Ukraine. And they are as bad as the mid 20th century Nazis but this information comes from the Russian media for the most part because they report on it all the time.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:41 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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And you know there are a lot of Nazi's in Ukraine. And they are as bad as the mid 20th century Nazis but this information comes from the Russian media for the most part because they report on it all the time.
Yeah, but our own media accidentally covers them. Like they were doing a feel good story on a man looking through a van for survivors, but when it zooms in, there’s a clear swastika on his arm.
Why is it so easy to find Nazis in that country even if it’s accidentally? Putin is outright lying that he’s invading Ukraine because of Nazis, but Ukraine has an unusually high level of Nazis in their country to the point where they now have a state funded Nazi regiment.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:45 pm to OMLandshark
Damn right. I must say I don't understand the Eastern European mindset. And Ukraine has not had to live in the "civilized" world of the European Union. Yes, it is an excuse for Russia to invade and cleanse Ukraine but likely there is more to it than that. I in no way think the Russian ruling class has any moral high ground here.
Just who do the Ukrainians hate? Who do they wish to torment or exterminate?
They don't have enough heft as a country to do much to anyone except fellow Ukrainians. Now they have to deal with other things.
Just who do the Ukrainians hate? Who do they wish to torment or exterminate?
They don't have enough heft as a country to do much to anyone except fellow Ukrainians. Now they have to deal with other things.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:47 pm to OMLandshark
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And yeah of course if I’m not for arming Nazi battalions and giving corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs tens of billions of dollars in cash, then I have to have a liberal arts degree. Y’all have no rebuttal on the fact we’re literally arming Nazis. Could you imagine three years ago you’d knowingly be actually defending real life Nazis?
Real talk.. since you want an actual response
The nazis we are arming constitute, what, 1/100th of the Ukrainian army?
They play virtually no role in Ukrainian policy or politics at large, hence the fact that a western leaning Jew is president. Eastern Europe is a cesspool of ultranationalism and anti semitisim. The vast minority of Azov types represents the vestiges of that culture which Ukraine is trying to emerge from, and is far better personified by the Wagner group types and Putinism. You don’t think there’s an equal, if not greater, amount of neo naziism in russia/ the Russian army? Do you think it magically disappeared at the border? Of course not? The Russian Orthodox Church, of which Putin is a stooge and proponent, is one of the biggest exponents of institutional anti Semitism in the last 500 years or so and has done far more to promote naziism than a backwoods militia could ever dream of. That naziism you are purportedly outraged over is at this point nothing more than a resurgence of Pan Slavism which Putin is spearheading.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Rescuers finish sorting through the rubble of the shopping centre in Kremenchuk: they found 29 body parts
Quote from State Emergency Service of Ukraine: "On 2 July, at 13:25 in Kremenchuk, work on sorting through the rubble of the Amstor shopping centre, which was destroyed on 27 June as a result of a missile attack, was completed.
As a result of the shelling, 19 people were killed and 66 people were injured, of which 26 were hospitalised. A total of 29 body fragments have been discovered since the beginning of the work."
Ukrayinska Pravda
Quote from State Emergency Service of Ukraine: "On 2 July, at 13:25 in Kremenchuk, work on sorting through the rubble of the Amstor shopping centre, which was destroyed on 27 June as a result of a missile attack, was completed.
As a result of the shelling, 19 people were killed and 66 people were injured, of which 26 were hospitalised. A total of 29 body fragments have been discovered since the beginning of the work."
Ukrayinska Pravda
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:51 pm to cypher
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Quote from State Emergency Service of Ukraine: "On 2 July, at 13:25 in Kremenchuk, work on sorting through the rubble of the Amstor shopping centre, which was destroyed on 27 June as a result of a missile attack, was completed.
Will Ukraine ever have an answer of any sort to this kind of weaponry?
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:54 pm to REG861
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The nazis we are arming constitute, what, 1/100th of the Ukrainian army.
I think you’re bargaining with yourself here. I think they say it’s 2,200 here, but if it was larger, don’t you think Zelensky would try to hide that? We see Nazis all the time over there. It’s least five digits. We just see and hear about them too often for me to think they’re that small.
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They play virtually no role in Ukrainian policy or politics at large.
For now.
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You don’t think there’s an eaual amount of neo naziism in russia/ the Russian army?
I know there’s not a state sponsored regiment of them. And no, outside of Jews, who hates Nazis more than the Russians?
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The Russian Orthodox Church, of which Putin is a stooge and proponent, is one of the biggest exponents of institutional anti Semitism in the last 500 years or so and has done far more to promote naziism than a backwoods militia could ever dream of.
Antisemitism long predates the Nazis. It’s more than that. Ukraine was notoriously compliant with the Nazis in helping them hunt down Jews.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:56 pm to OMLandshark
Good grief, especially post WWII and trade with the world.
FWIW, a friend who has made a killing in trading, plastics, chemicals, ores, scrap, oil products to China always hated having to do business with Russians. The Russians are not honest at all. My friend's background is his father was head of China's nuclear power program, his uncle an ambassador to Turkey, his older brother gets the inquiries in Shanghai while he in Houston sources supplies. I was introduced to him by Shell Chemical. He did his time as a young adult in a Mao re-education camp then left of Galveston as soon as he could. Learned English working as a dishwasher, selling hot dogs at the Astrodome, etc.. before he got into first importing dart boards from China which then morphed into his business.
This talk about BRICS is about as ridiculous speculation of know nothings about relationships between those nations.
FWIW, a friend who has made a killing in trading, plastics, chemicals, ores, scrap, oil products to China always hated having to do business with Russians. The Russians are not honest at all. My friend's background is his father was head of China's nuclear power program, his uncle an ambassador to Turkey, his older brother gets the inquiries in Shanghai while he in Houston sources supplies. I was introduced to him by Shell Chemical. He did his time as a young adult in a Mao re-education camp then left of Galveston as soon as he could. Learned English working as a dishwasher, selling hot dogs at the Astrodome, etc.. before he got into first importing dart boards from China which then morphed into his business.
This talk about BRICS is about as ridiculous speculation of know nothings about relationships between those nations.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 5:57 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Will Ukraine ever have an answer of any sort to this kind of weaponry?
Don't know. I assume some sort of anti missile defense exists which could intercept them.
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