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re: Unpopular opinion: Putin has a legitimate gripe
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:28 pm to SEC. 593
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:28 pm to SEC. 593
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The Baltic nations are already part of NATO so the question is really why does Russia seem to care so much about the Ukraine?
Deepwater ports on the Black Sea, food production, energy, southern border security agains Islamic extremism…there are more than a few reasons.
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Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:30 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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You are the one concerned about your son in the fight. We were ready to fight Russia in Cuba and we should be prepared to fight him in Europe if necessary. He has no problem sending their young to battle. I guess we value our young more than he does. Now what case am I making?
I honestly have no idea, and also don’t understand the hostility or dismissiveness of my concern.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:09 pm to Jimmy Russel
Food and energy production being threatened doesn't make sense in a global market, and I don't understand how terrorism is more likely with NATO being in the picture.
A majority of Russia's pipelines do travel through some portion of Ukraine, but those head to NATO countries (and the Ukraine)for consumption. Unless those countries are counting on skyrocketing costs for their populations there isn't really a strategic value to disruption to the flow of energy.
The majority of Ukrainian exports head east towards Russia and other Bloc countries, so again any disruption of one of their main exports (food) would hurt the Ukraine just as much.
I don't think Russia can with a straight face say it is scared of a first-strike invasion from NATO a d of course all this is supposed on Russia playing nice with its neighbors, so what is the real threat to Russia from NATO, other than security to Ukraine?
A majority of Russia's pipelines do travel through some portion of Ukraine, but those head to NATO countries (and the Ukraine)for consumption. Unless those countries are counting on skyrocketing costs for their populations there isn't really a strategic value to disruption to the flow of energy.
The majority of Ukrainian exports head east towards Russia and other Bloc countries, so again any disruption of one of their main exports (food) would hurt the Ukraine just as much.
I don't think Russia can with a straight face say it is scared of a first-strike invasion from NATO a d of course all this is supposed on Russia playing nice with its neighbors, so what is the real threat to Russia from NATO, other than security to Ukraine?
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:16 pm to Ag Zwin
We have been poking our noses in shite for over 100 years where we shouldn’t.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:23 pm to Ag Zwin
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We lost our shite when the Soviets started to park nukes in Cuba. Took the world to the brink of all out war.
I thought so much of that subject that I wrote a term paper in college about it.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:24 pm to Ag Zwin
We could let Ukraine join NATO, but not put forces or weapons there.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:44 pm to Tantal
We could disband NATO and let Europe worry about Europe. Not one more American life for Europe or Asia.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:49 pm to SEC. 593
Russia and China are looking at the long game. Globalism does not favor the continued existence of monolithic peoples/nations, and it's not difficult to see NATO posing a threat to their national stability in all of the ways I mentioned in the previous post if globalism is the end game. China is in the same situation with Taiwan as they have to control the shipping lanes around SEA to have a chance at survival. Neither Russia nor China wants a global market that compromises their national/ethnic sovereignty, and quite frankly, neither do many Americans. However, we are just to damned punch drunk on entertainment to realize the dangers of a NWO where individuals are not entrusted to govern themselves or share a common set of values with others at odds with a global version of ESG.
Another thing is that the Ukrainian government paid Biden off handsomely expecting an intervention on its behalf. Russia is not.having.that.shite., and is going to take action now since Biden has such weak numbers. Else, the majority of the US populace might be willing for us to intervene.
I can't blame the Russians (or the Chinese for that matter), but I damned sure don't want them attacking my fellow countrymen and brothers in arms put out there to be sacrificial lambs for globalist elites.
Can't fricking win.
Another thing is that the Ukrainian government paid Biden off handsomely expecting an intervention on its behalf. Russia is not.having.that.shite., and is going to take action now since Biden has such weak numbers. Else, the majority of the US populace might be willing for us to intervene.
I can't blame the Russians (or the Chinese for that matter), but I damned sure don't want them attacking my fellow countrymen and brothers in arms put out there to be sacrificial lambs for globalist elites.
Can't fricking win.
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Food and energy production being threatened doesn't make sense in a global market, and I don't understand how terrorism is more likely with NATO being in the picture. Food and energy production being threatened doesn't make sense in a global market, and I don't understand how terrorism is more likely with NATO being in the picture.
A majority of Russia's pipelines do travel through some portion of Ukraine, but those head to NATO countries (and the Ukraine)for consumption. Unless those countries are counting on skyrocketing costs for their populations there isn't really a strategic value to disruption to the flow of energy.
The majority of Ukrainian exports head east towards Russia and other Bloc countries, so again any disruption of one of their main exports (food) would hurt the Ukraine just as much.
I don't think Russia can with a straight face say it is scared of a first-strike invasion from NATO a d of course all this is supposed on Russia playing nice with its neighbors, so what is the real threat to Russia from NATO, other than security to Ukraine?
A majority of Russia's pipelines do travel through some portion of Ukraine, but those head to NATO countries (and the Ukraine)for consumption. Unless those countries are counting on skyrocketing costs for their populations there isn't really a strategic value to disruption to the flow of energy.
The majority of Ukrainian exports head east towards Russia and other Bloc countries, so again any disruption of one of their main exports (food) would hurt the Ukraine just as much.
I don't think Russia can with a straight face say it is scared of a first-strike invasion from NATO a d of course all this is supposed on Russia playing nice with its neighbors, so what is the real threat to Russia from NATO, other than security to Ukraine?
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:55 pm to Jimmy Russel
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Russia and China are looking at the long game. Globalism does not favor the continued existence of monolithic peoples/nations, and it's not difficult to see NATO posing a threat to their national stability in all of the ways I mentioned in the previous post if globalism is the end game. China is in the same situation with Taiwan as they have to control the shipping lanes around SEA to have a chance at survival. Neither Russia nor China wants a global market that compromises their national/ethnic sovereignty, and quite frankly, neither do many Americans. However, we are just to damned punch drunk on entertainment to realize the dangers of a NWO where individuals are not entrusted to govern themselves or share a common set of values with others at odds with a global version of ESG.
Our government are the bad guys.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Huh?
Not hard to understand what OP is saying.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:58 pm to USMCguy121
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Our government are the bad guys.
The government is not ours anymore.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:08 pm to Tmcgin
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The party of Regan
What is the party of Regan? Did you know 243 marines died in Lebanon and Regan cut and run! Where’s the justice for them?? It was part of Hezbollah.
He then decided to invade a country called Grenada. He was over rated but I liked him.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:14 pm to TBoy
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If Ukraine joins NATO, that is no military threat to Russia at all
Quite possibly the biggest lie I've ever seen posted. ??
Biden is that you? Lol
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:15 pm to JimNat
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Regan
Is that the dude with barbed wire in a baseball bat?
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:16 pm to Ag Zwin
The CIA is an organization that has committed mass amounts of evil around the world. Whether that evil was justified in the minds of good men or not, the victims of said evil have every right to be pissed at the US and our Deep State.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
They don’t
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:18 pm to TeLeFaWx
The US government is an organization that has committed mass amounts of evil around the world. Whether that evil was justified in the minds of good men or not, the victims of said evil have every right to be pissed at the US and our Deep State.
FTFY
FTFY
Posted on 2/11/22 at 7:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:23 pm to Bunk Moreland
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The guy interviewed here calls it a reverse Cuban Missile Crisis.
He's not wrong. Ukraine is a buffer state and the United States has been removing those since the end of the Soviet Union. Russia has a reason to be upset with the US actively trying to put weapons systems in Ukraine. It was so ironic when Obama came into power that the State Department made such a big presentation with the reset button, when the next thing they do in the region is try to expand NATO into Ukraine.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:44 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:Would be a vast improvement in that shite hole, actually. In fact, I don't care about Russia as an enemy at all. It's like, we stir up shite just to stir up shite.
Again, what would be your reaction to Russia doing the same thing along our Mexican border?
Do you realize that the Soviet empire has been dissolved since 1989. That's 33 years now. For 33 years, Russia has not threatened the USA, nor threatened Europe. They are only interested in their own survival.
In 1945 the war with Japan ended. Add 33 years and it's 1978. In 1978, did we consider Japan an ally or a foe? Personally, I only knew Japan as a foe through history books, movies and TV showing things a long time before I was born. This whole Russia, Russia, Russia is just our military industrial complex needing a bogeyman to keep their gravy train going.
Trump had the right idea and motives. Open up relations with Russia, find common ground and unity and create beneficial trade agreements. What the frick is wrong with that? Nothing, except that kind of idea runs counter to the balance sheets of Raytheon, Lockheed, L3Harris, General Atomics, Huntington-Ingalls and Northrop Grumman. "Can't be having peace, now. That's bad for business."
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