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re: Brianna Kupfer murder suspect with lengthy rap sheet was out on bail
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:36 am to Open Your Eyes
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:36 am to Open Your Eyes
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Youve failed at arguing multiple times in this thread that these guys are presumed innocent
No they are presumed innocent. That's a fact, not an argument.
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d should not be punitively punished for their alleged actions
Bail should not be punitive, correct.
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even to the point of ignoring their past previous history
Strawman
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Now neither of those things should apply to “the most dangerous guys” or “the biggest threats to leave” because you say so
I've never said otherwise.
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As if you are the arbiter of good for society as a whole
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Why are those guys not presumed innocent?
They are
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Why shouldn’t their alleged crimes be looked at in a vacuum with no context provided by their prior history?
Never argued this
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Again, how much more of a fricking failure can a supposed “lawyer” be?
Your homework assignment today is to learn and understand the word "nuance"
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Go sit in the corner and put on your dunce cap
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not supposed to be punitive and the person is presumed innocent at that point in the process.
Really now? Rittenhouse says hi
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:41 am to Townedrunkard
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Really now? Rittenhouse says hi
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why are jails a point of this discussion when the discussion is about people who are presumed innocent?
Thought you were one of the smarter ones on this board. Terrible take baw
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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No they are presumed innocent. That's a fact, not an argument.
And you are now arguing to detain presumed innocent people based on subjective criteria.
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Bail should not be punitive, correct.
What should bail be for your “most dangerous guys” and “biggest threats to leave”?
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Strawman
Claiming your own argument is a strawman. Again, how much of a fricking failure can a supposed “lawyer” be?
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I've never said otherwise.
That’s the entire point. You’re just too stupid to see it.
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Larry David gif
You have the emotional maturity and stability of a 13 year old girl, and even less intelligence. Society would be in an even worse position than it already is if you were in charge of determining right and wrong.
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They are
Why do you want to detain presumed innocent people?
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Never argued this
Yes, you did.
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Your homework assignment today is to learn and understand the word "nuance"
Right after you learn the meaning of the words “ensure” and “lawyer”
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:01 am to idlewatcher
People have been socialized to have a mindset that "criminal accusation" means you should be jailed and punished prior to trial.
That mindset needs to change.
We should have fewer jails because fewer people should be detained prior to their trials. The primary resistance for this is bureaucratic. They are the ones promoting this message that has poisoned the very way most people look at this issue.
That mindset needs to change.
We should have fewer jails because fewer people should be detained prior to their trials. The primary resistance for this is bureaucratic. They are the ones promoting this message that has poisoned the very way most people look at this issue.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:05 am to Open Your Eyes
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And you are now arguing to detain presumed innocent people based on subjective criteria.
I said (in a post you didn't reply to) that the system needs to be rational and based on data. If there is data that shows certain variables are likely to increase the chance of violating bail, then they need to be addressed with rational responses.
The irrational-emotional "punishment" mindset needs to be dropped. Emotional thinking is bad.
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What should bail be for your “most dangerous guys” and “biggest threats to leave”?
The very worst would be denied bail entirely. I'm not against the concept of pretrial detention. Just policies based on emotion and bureaucratic authoritarianism, which is our current system.
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Claiming your own argument is a strawman.
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That’s the entire point. You’re just too stupid to see it.
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Right after you learn the meaning of the words “ensure”
"Bail is meant to ensure" only has 92k results on google
If you take out the quotes? 28.9M results
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:15 am to beauchristopher
Stuff like this should fall under prosecutorial misconduct. This dude should have been in prison.
Our judicial system is wack as well as rehabbing people that committed crimes. Those dudes just end up in jail/prison again.
Our judicial system is wack as well as rehabbing people that committed crimes. Those dudes just end up in jail/prison again.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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You do realize bail is just a way to ensure a defendant shows up for its court dates, right?
It's not supposed to be punitive and the person is presumed innocent at that point in the process.
Then how they ever deny anyone bail? Yet they do in some cases.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:18 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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Those dudes just end up in jail/prison again.
Prison is just the PhD program for criminals.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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But the rules that apply to these people apply to everyone. That disassociation is the part people have a problem with.
For a supposedly smart guy, your argument is pretty stupid. You even contradict your own argument when this perp in fact has skipped out on his trials before, has a history of violent crime and was ignored.
You keep referencing the Rittenhouse and Jan 6 groups as justification for an utter piece of shite getting easy ways out of custody. In those cases, it was wrongly handled and done for purely political reasons when those defendants had no or minimal history of criminal behavior.
It’s not the same and you can’t compare them.
Histories of multiple violent crimes is not the same as no history of violent crime. Until you get that through your thick skull and stop trying to poorly play semantics, no one is going to take you seriously.
Being held is as much about you showing up to your court date as it is about the danger you and your history shows you pose to the public or others. According to you, if a guy murders a woman and in the mean time screams about how he is going to kill her sister, he should be allowed to bibd out. Do you not see the idiotic nature of your argument?
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Thought you were a smart poster. You're just posting some stupid crap lately.
Maybe I'm thinking of someone else from a while back. I don't really pay attention to anyone's names here.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
It would be a shame if karma caught up with you and you found yourself in the same situation as that girl’s family.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:23 am to Bourre
Your use of the terms " oppressive police state", "bureaucracy", "authoritarianism ", your obvious disdain for LEO etc. shows where your real sentiments lay. You say it is wrong to use this thug as a point of reference & yet you continue to use Rittenhouse & the Jan. 6 detainees to "prove " your point? Presumed innocent, using common sense after reviewing this thug's history, especially when he's failed to show already, is beyond stupid. NYC, N.O. L.A., Chicago, Philly, San Fran, etc. are all practicing your uber liberal theories re bail. How is that working out for those cities? And Rittenhouse was a political issue, not a legal one.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:28 am to Geauxgurt
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You even contradict your own argument when this perp in fact has skipped out on his trials before,
Just to be clear, that's not a contradiction and I never discussed that part of this particular defendant, specifically until later in the thread.
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You keep referencing the Rittenhouse and Jan 6 groups as justification for an utter piece of shite getting easy ways out of custody.
No. More like, if you had a problem with either of these situations, you agree with me more than you realize.
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it was wrongly handled and done for purely political reasons when those defendants had no or minimal history of criminal behavior
But without a more defined, rational system, you always risk these popping up. You never know when your case is going to be that national-political case. You think Kyle imagined that the day before he went to Kenosha?
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According to you, if a guy murders a woman and in the mean time screams about how he is going to kill her sister, he should be allowed to bibd out.
Link me to where I said that.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:29 am to Bourre
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It would be a shame if karma caught up with you and you found yourself in the same situation as that girl’s family.
What a fricking POS statement.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:30 am to Bourre
Prob time to take a break from internet message boards for the day
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:31 am to Keltic Tiger
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Your use of the terms " oppressive police state", "bureaucracy", "authoritarianism ", your obvious disdain for LEO etc. shows where your real sentiments lay.
Do you think it's a secret that I'm a fan of freedom?
I've been posting about these issues for approximately 17 years on here, at this point.
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And Rittenhouse was a political issue, not a legal one.
People are turning this POS at the center point of this thread into a political issue, too.
AND I QUOTE THE OP:
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This is of course what you get when you stupid dumb fricks in California and elsewhere keep insisting on voting in Far Left politicians.
Nope. Not political.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
This thread is full of your POS statements
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