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re: PUTTHEFORKDOWN V. 2024- daily nutrition thread

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Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:13 am to
250/245/190

Finally back losing weight, packed on a decent bit of muscle the last month and a half. Crazy to not lose weight but have shirts fit better. Hoping to start dropping 2 pounds a week or so.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 12:13 pm to
wanted to give everyone an idea of how I’ll be eating on my cut and how my wife will be eating. We have a trip to Maui in late April. My goal is to be at 10% body fat for that trip and at a 32" waist. need to get rid of 20 lbs. and almost 4" from the waist. Doable but have to be pretty strict.

I’ll be shooting for 1900-2000 calories with 50% protein. So I have lots of flexibility, but I will have to focus on my protein intake pretty high. For me, it's easier for me to use protein RTDs during the day to reach my goals and have 1 or 2 actual meals. So for me, It will look something like this


• morning- 730ish- after an early fasted morning walk (2 15-20 min sessions)- Fair life 42g protein drink plus ECA stack (1 dose). (230kCal, 42g protein). A 10-minute walk after morning meetings just around the office.

• mid-morning- 11ish- Iso pure protein RTD plus ECA stack (1 dose). (130kCal, 32g protein). A 10-minute walk around the office.

• early afternoon- 2ish- Fair life 42g protein drink plus ECA stack (1 dose). A 10-minute walk around the office. (230kCal, 42g protein).

• Dinner- 530ish- 12oz Chicken Thighs (I will use different recipes for this. For example, I will be having air-fried chicken shawarma skewers from the recipe posted by Nikattalouise on Instagram. You can find tons of recipes on Instagram that use chicken thighs and keep the macros pretty reasonable). I can substitute lean cuts of beef for this meal too. It is my high-fat meal. I will have this with half a pouch of Uncle Ben's ready rice. Will be around 900kCal and 85g protein.

• Post Workout meal- 8oz chicken breast and the other with half a pouch of Uncle Ben's ready rice. This will give me about 500kCal and 50g of protein.

Totals- ~2000kCal & 260g Protein. Carbs are roughly around 100g and I find that to be my sweet spot where I have enough in me for performance, but not too much that I get the stomach distress I normally get. As I get deeper into the 16-week cut I will have to cut protein slightly, cut fat slightly, and add lots of veggies and carbs will eventually have to be down around 50g to maintain everything else and get the volume I need from veggies to maintain rate of loss.

I will lift 4 times per week using the DB strength program and shoot for 10k steps to start. Once fat loss slows I will up the steps to 12,500 then lower calories on the next stall, then raise steps to 15k then lower calories, then raise steps to 17,500, then lower calories so on and so forth. As needed to prolong fat loss, On days I don’t lift, I will cut down to 1 solid meal with about 16oz leaner meat with veggies and cut the rice out. Very Similar to how I suggest you lift in the fact that I preach progressively raising steps and lowering calories only as needed in Minimal effective dosing to maintain the rate of loss of 1-2 lbs. per week based on body fat %.

For success this year with fat loss, I highly suggest you suggest you make a meal plan consisting of 2-3 solid meals with 2-3 options for each. They should be around 5-750kCals each and 50g of protein. Use protein shakes to supplement as needed.



My wife likes Intermittent fasting as she gets nauseous in the morning usually if she eats so it's easier for her. She is trying to eat 2 solid meals, a snack, and a protein shake.

• Noonish- meal 1- chicken fajitas- we are looking to use the Xtreme wellness fajitas and get 50g of protein from about 8oz chicken breast. We add some veggies that are cooked down and maybe a little low-fat sour cream, low-fat cheese and got a pretty good meal for her. Also may do things like Steak Fajitas using skirt steak, chicken skewers with veggies, or any of the other 1000 ideas from Instagram if you search high protein meals. The key for her to maintain compliance is to keep variety high and at each meal to get 50g of protein and keep calories around 500.

• Snack- Fair life 42g protein drink if needed. This can be saved until post-workout if she would like

• Dinner- 530ish- again, something that is going to keep her below 750 calories and get her 50g protein. There are options all over Instagram as I mentioned. I like to cook the ones that become 4 meals. She will eat 1 for lunch 1 day, 1 for dinner 1 day and then freeze the other 2 for the next week.
Overall we are trying to keep her calories under 1500 and we want at least 125g protein. Other than that, we don’t care about anything else right now.


Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31436 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 12:13 pm to
Instagram Resources for high protein meal prep-
1. Jalalsamfit
2. Theplanetoffitness
3. Goalnutritiontips
4. Gymratrecipes
5. Gymfoodys
6. Countyurcalories
7. Fit_foodie_jade


feel free to add others
Posted by Returnofzeus
Member since Feb 2022
408 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 1:36 pm to
Any recommendations for avoiding the pm munchies? I feel like my diet is dialed in 80% of the time but damn that 20% kills my physique!
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31436 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Any recommendations for avoiding the pm munchies? I feel like my diet is dialed in 80% of the time but damn that 20% kills my physique!


couple of things

1) drink lots of water as many times it dehydration that is causing you to feel the need to eat

2) use zero calorie drinks to control sweet toothes

3) save most of your calories for the afternoon

4) priortize protein and heavier carbs like potatoes and sweet potaties that keep you satiated longer

5) go for a walk
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:41 am to
quote:

Any recommendations for avoiding the pm munchies? I feel like my diet is dialed in 80% of the time but damn that 20% kills my physique!
I’ll tell you what worked for me. I started IF 18:6 and all food is cut off by 5p. I eat a very small lunch or shake and save my bigger meal for 4-5p and that usually holds me over until bedtime. I go to bed early as frick (830-9) so that makes it a little easier.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:23 am to
Epic dirty bulk in December is over. Time to ride boys.
Posted by ChetLSU
Toledo
Member since Sep 2023
68 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Epic dirty bulk in December is over. Time to ride boys.


I cannot believe how fat you got that picture you post on New Year’s Eve was disgusting you are lardass slob
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:14 pm to
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Fair life 42g protein drink


Curious as to why you chose these? They have maltodextrin in them which has no nutritional value and has a GI higher than table sugar and will raise your blood sugar quickly/considerably. Not sure why someone who is trying/needing to lose 20 pounds and 4" would use this product. Seems counterproductive to your goals.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
745 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:26 pm to
I tell everyone I gained 10lbs since thanksgiving, but that's a lie. I gained 15lbs. Amazing. I'm going the whole food route this time. Potatoes, rice, ground turkey/hamburger, chicken. Veggies and fruit. Lost 5 really quickly and feel better just getting that bloat off.

I struggle getting my steps in. I just don't have time before or after work, and I lift at night. I still average 9k and I stand all day, so not horribly sedentary.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Seems counterproductive to your goals.



does it...please post a study showing that anything you just said matters in terms of losing body fat


let me let you in on a little secret...you will not find one. all that matters is calories and protein intake atleast until i get to around 10% bodyfat or so

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Curious as to why you chose these?

because they taste good and the protein is a decent source and calories are low.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

anything you just said matters in terms of losing body fat


I can lose body fat by eating one meal at Taco Bell a day and one meal at McDonald's a day. Its not the healthiest or most efficient way to get there though and continually spiking blood sugar isn't either. Are you trying to just lose body fat or are you trying to retain or gain muscle as well?

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because they taste good

Figures. There are plenty of products out there without maltodextrin that 'taste' good as well. Its a low quality product. Good luck losing that 4"
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31436 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

I can lose body fat by eating one meal at Taco Bell a day and one meal at McDonald's a day. Its not the healthiest or most efficient way to get there though and continually spiking blood sugar isn't either. Are you trying to just lose body fat or are you trying to retain or gain muscle as well?


A) any possible health benefits I may get by cutting out everything you say i should are way way overblown and not reflected in blood work. I take my blood sugar readings and maltodextrin doesnt even spike my blood sugar. and losing 20lbs of fat has much much more effect on health and blood markers than what you like to claim is healthy

2) please explain to me like i am 2 how drinking a protein shake, would not help me retain muscle mass and lose body fat.


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Figures. There are plenty of products out there without maltodextrin that 'taste' good as well. Its a low quality product. Good luck losing that 4"


you act like im some noobie who hasnt done this many times. you act like every study doesnt show you are wrong.



please explain to me, like im 2, how maltodextrin will keep me from losing bodyfat, specifically in the naval region.

because every study ever done shows the opposite. my own personal experience shows the opposite.

but hey i guess the old way to live life is to only kill your own wild meat, have your own free range chickens, pigs, have your own grass fed cows and grow your own veggies and fruits so you can make sure you control every single thing in them.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31436 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:04 pm to
just to help you out here

The effect of inulin and resistant maltodextrin on weight loss during energy restriction: a randomised, placebo-controlled, double-blinded intervention

LINK

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Methods: The study was a 12-week randomised, placebo-controlled, double-blinded, parallel intervention trial. A total of 116 overweight or obese participants were assigned randomly either to 10 g inulin plus 10 g resistant maltodextrin or to 20 g of placebo supplementation through 400 mL of milk a day, while on a - 500 kcal/day energy restricted diet.

Results: Altogether, 86 participants completed the intervention. There were no significant differences in weight loss or body composition between the groups. The fibre supplement reduced systolic (5.35 ± 2.4 mmHg, p = 0.043) and diastolic (2.82 ± 1.3 mmHg, p = 0.047) blood pressure to a larger extent than placebo. Furthermore, a larger decrease in serum insulin was observed in the placebo group compared to the fibre group (- 26.0 ± 9.2 pmol/L, p = 0.006). The intake of fibre induced changes in the composition of gut microbiota resulting in higher abundances of Parabacteroides and Bifidobacteria, compared to placebo. The effects on blood pressure and glucose metabolism were mainly observed in women, and could be attributed to a higher gut microbiota diversity after intervention. Finally, the fibre group experienced a higher degree of gastrointestinal symptoms, which attenuated over time.

Conclusions: Supplementation of inulin and resistant maltodextrin did not provide an additional weight loss during an energy-restricted diet, but reduced both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. Furthermore, the fibre supplement did stimulate the growth of potentially beneficial bacteria genera.


Visceral Fat-Reducing Effect and Safety of Continuous Consumption of Beverage Containing Resistant Maltodextrin: A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Parallel-Group Clinical Trial

LINK

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, confirming the function of continuous RMD consumption in reducing abdominal visceral fat. F





so now you gonna tell me all diet drinks are bad for you right? yet we have a year long study showing the opposite, this was reviewed and published in reps last month. here is nortons take on it

LINK

LINK

Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

you act like im some noobie who hasnt done this many times.


Well you kinda come across that way. All calories aren't created equal especially when it comes to building muscle and losing fat. Yes, there are negative impacts of things like maltodextrin on the human body when trying to lose weight/body fat that can be counterproductive. If you are so worried about 'calories' just use a clean whey isolate it will be lower than your fairlife shakes and a much higher quality source of protein as well. But hey keep on needing to lose 4" and 20 pounds I wish you well.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:35 pm to
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here is nortons take on it


I quit paying attention to Layne when he was in internet flame wars with Jason Blaha of all people (I think this was around 2013 or so correct me if I am wrong) That's how important Layne thinks he is wasting time with trying to sue a clown like Blaha.

By all means trade that diabetes for cancer/leukemia and load up on pallets of sugar free/diet drinks. People that need to tell themselves they 'help' you is because they can't quit them. Its a coping mechanism.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31436 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

I quit paying attention to Layne when he was in internet flame wars with Jason Blaha of all people (I think this was around 2013 or so correct me if I am wrong) That's how important Layne thinks he is wasting time with trying to sue a clown like Blaha


Layne successfully sued Blaha for slander. Let me guess you were part of the tren cult that was trying to out all the "smut"

quote:

By all means trade that diabetes for cancer/leukemia and load up on pallets of sugar free/diet drinks. People that need to tell themselves they 'help' you is because they can't quit them. Its a coping mechanism


have any proof of this? any study at all on this? because from what i have seen maltodextrin is actually good for fighting cancer.

but again just making shite up as usual by you and getting mad at someone like Norton because he actually reads the data and doesnt just cherry pick



i love thats your response though to me posting studies showing you are completly wrong......"Layne sucks because he sued a guy for slander" and "good luck with the cancer"



so since you love to use random arse cooralation studies(very weak cooralation i may add) do you believe in the china study? i mean meat causes cancer by using your criteria
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31436 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

Well you kinda come across that way. All calories aren't created equal especially when it comes to building muscle and losing fat


your right protein is important, after that...they pretty much are. do you want to discuss the dietary induced thermogensis of each macro and micro?

and im not the one that comes off as a noob. you 100% do with all your made up bullshite on health.

quote:

Yes, there are negative impacts of things like maltodextrin on the human body when trying to lose weight/body fat that can be counterproductive


there are no studies at all supporting what you are claiming, in fact the opposite

quote:

If you are so worried about 'calories' just use a clean whey isolate it will be lower than your fairlife shakes and a much higher quality source of protein as well.


you are right, but i have a bunch of fairlife im mixing in there too.

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But hey keep on needing to lose 4" and 20 pounds I wish you well.



yea since i dont always need to be below 10% bodyfat. i never shoot to get as lean as i am this year. i normally shoot for 14-15% dexa lean

but you know everything

guess i should just do chicken and veggies only right?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:02 pm to
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Layne successfully sued Blaha for slander. Let me guess you were part of the tren cult that was trying to out all the "smut"


Think about what you just posted. You actually think it is 'cool' that Layne gave Blaha any attention what so ever and sued him. That's the definition of a loser. Nobody should pay Blaha any attention no matter what he says or does because he is a god damn moron Layne only enabled him even more. I used Tren but much preferred Masteron prop or Masteron enan. Other than that I don't have a clue what you are talking about 'tren cult'.

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getting mad at someone like Norton

I'm not mad at him. The guy is a god damn moron and I certainly don't worship him like you do. Its really weird.

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maltodextrin

Has nothing to so with diet/sugar free sodas. Completely different topic.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

guess i should just do chicken and veggies only right?




I don't eat either of those things. I've had enough chicken to last 10 lifetimes. Rarely eat veggies. One thing I'm not doing is ingesting a bunch of drinks with things like maltodextrin, sucralose, carrageenan, guar gums, etc in them nor am I drinking a bunch of 'diet' sodas telling myself it will help me lose weight.
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